A4000T or A1200T?

Enverex · 28 February 2004, 00:22

In my quest for the Ultimate Amiga, which do you think it is better going for? I am more erring for the A4000T at the moment due to it seeming to have 500 billion expansion slots.

Oppinions on each?

Amiga1992 · 28 February 2004, 01:10

There's no such thing as a 1200T, I guess you mean a towered A1200 system? If you hook a Mediator o something like that to it, makes no difference, actually, the advantage might be on the 1200's side

28 February 2004, 03:10

Was there not a company that produced a system under the monicker of A1200T? Or was that just the name of the tower made by micronik??? hmmz got me wondering now...

Amiga1992 · 28 February 2004, 05:06

Nope, stores sold A1200 inside Micronik Infinitiv towers with the monickers "a1400" , "a1500" and dunno which one else. But not A1200T

Enverex · 28 February 2004, 09:54

I am refering to a manually towered A1200.

Surely the A4000 has more options though with It having Zorro III slots and a Video slot (and PCI as well with a mediator, as without a mediator you end up having 2 video slots and 7 Zorro III slots). It is also better equipted than an A1200 by default with more expansion in mind...

ant512 · 28 February 2004, 11:18

I think the major difference is the price of accelerators. A second-hand Blizzard 1260 will cost you about £200 from eBay. A Cyberstorm 060 for an A4000 will be closer to £600. The real question is: How much money have you got to throw away?

Enverex · 28 February 2004, 11:20

Irrespective of price though, with expansions, is there anything the A1200 can't do that the A4000 can? Also, can you attach a Mediator, Accellerator AND Zorro Backplane to an A1200 at the same time?

manicx · 28 February 2004, 13:07

The A4000T was/is a beatiful computer. I prefer it to a towered A1200...

Enverex · 28 February 2004, 13:12

Quote:

Originally posted by manicx
The A4000T was/is a beatiful computer. I prefer it to a towered A1200...

Ok, it may be a "Beatiful Computer" but realistically, if I am trying to create the ultimate Amiga, which would be the better system to go with?

RetroMan · 28 February 2004, 13:54

If you ever want to buy a PPC Board for your computer, go and get an A4000T, the PPC 604 CPU on the Cyberstorm are a lot faster than the 603 CPU on Blizzard PPC Boards on A1200

Ok, here´s what I would do :

- If you have the money, get the A4000T ! It´s a ready to run system and you do not have any incompatability .... Towered A1200 System may suffer from different parts of different manufacturers that will not work together properly (many people have weird crashes with some Micronik Zorro Boards !!!) ....

- If you just want a fast towered and cheap (?) system, go and get you an A1200 in a Tower .....

Enverex · 28 February 2004, 14:06

Cheers RetroMan, that was the sort of info I needed.

DrBong · 01 March 2004, 19:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
If you hook a Mediator o something like that to it, makes no difference, actually, the advantage might be on the 1200's side

So very wrong. A1200's can't hope to match it with A4000's if both are maxxed out in towered systems (unless the A1200 has a Micronik Z3 board to accept a 604 board, but the Micronik boards suffer from hardware conflicts galore like Retroman said). I've towered both an A4000 and an A1200. I was very successful with the A4000, but the A1200 was just an unstable mess with the Micronik Z3 board and only a few cards attached.

Amiga1992 · 01 March 2004, 19:42

I thought like that because there are more 1200 peripherals created than A4000 ones. Thanks for the correction.

Enverex · 01 March 2004, 19:51

Well 80% of the A1200 has been sold and the A4000MT is on it's way

Methanoid · 02 March 2004, 14:02

Quote:

Originally posted by ant512
I think the major difference is the price of accelerators. A second-hand Blizzard 1260 will cost you about £200 from eBay. A Cyberstorm 060 for an A4000 will be closer to £600. The real question is: How much money have you got to throw away?

Get real... I've sold two 060s Cyberstorms and they get £120 max... a 1260 for 1200 gets similar money.

For £300 you can get an 060/PPC card.

Anyone who pays any more than £400 is clearly a twat....

ant512 · 02 March 2004, 14:29

Quote:

Originally posted by Methanoid
Get real... I've sold two 060s Cyberstorms and they get £120 max... a 1260 for 1200 gets similar money.

...And your buyer was jumping around his room with glee, rubbing his hands together and singing, "I've got a bargain! I've got a bargain!"

Methanoid · 02 March 2004, 14:41

OK well if you think £600 is the Ebay price for a Cyberstorm 060... I'll sell you TWO for that price and you can make £600 profit.

Its time to put your money where your mouth is

Seriously tho... you're well out of touch.. An 060 Cyberstorm on Ebay went for £80-odd pound recently. The days of £600 are long gone.

How much U reckon my 4000/030/16mb is worth then? its nice and clean and with KS3.1, Buster 11 and proper HD Floppy. U wanna buy?

ant512 · 02 March 2004, 15:15

Yeah, you're probably right. I haven't looked for Amiga upgrades on eBay for ages.

How about £20 for the A4000?

Methanoid · 02 March 2004, 15:25

U forgot the smiley (or did he??)

I will sell it soon enough if I get a sensible offer. So far all the offers I have had have been jokey ones like £20 or £50, people chancing on the off chance of selling on for a profit.

CU_AMiGA · 02 March 2004, 17:42

An Amiga 1200 in a tower is normally referred to A1200T because it is in a TOWER!!!!! The T standing for TOWER!

ie: POWER TOWER.

-edit-

By default, the Amiga 4000 is a way more powerful system than the A1200T. Having said that it is possible to put A4000 cards on an A1200 using a busboard:

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/

But like someone said, it may interfere with other cards. I don't know.

Regards,

28 February 2004, 00:22	#1
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	A4000T or A1200T? In my quest for the Ultimate Amiga, which do you think it is better going for? I am more erring for the A4000T at the moment due to it seeming to have 500 billion expansion slots. Oppinions on each?

28 February 2004, 03:10	#3
Doozy Posts: n/a	A1200T Was there not a company that produced a system under the monicker of A1200T? Or was that just the name of the tower made by micronik??? hmmz got me wondering now...

02 March 2004, 17:42	#20
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 38 Posts: 970	An Amiga 1200 in a tower is normally referred to A1200T because it is in a TOWER!!!!! The T standing for TOWER! ie: POWER TOWER. -edit- By default, the Amiga 4000 is a way more powerful system than the A1200T. Having said that it is possible to put A4000 cards on an A1200 using a busboard: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/ But like someone said, it may interfere with other cards. I don't know. Regards, Last edited by CU_AMiGA; 02 March 2004 at 17:50.

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28 February 2004, 01:10	#2
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	There's no such thing as a 1200T, I guess you mean a towered A1200 system? If you hook a Mediator o something like that to it, makes no difference, actually, the advantage might be on the 1200's side

28 February 2004, 05:06	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Nope, stores sold A1200 inside Micronik Infinitiv towers with the monickers "a1400" , "a1500" and dunno which one else. But not A1200T

28 February 2004, 09:54	#5
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	I am refering to a manually towered A1200. Surely the A4000 has more options though with It having Zorro III slots and a Video slot (and PCI as well with a mediator, as without a mediator you end up having 2 video slots and 7 Zorro III slots). It is also better equipted than an A1200 by default with more expansion in mind...

28 February 2004, 11:18	#6
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 964	I think the major difference is the price of accelerators. A second-hand Blizzard 1260 will cost you about £200 from eBay. A Cyberstorm 060 for an A4000 will be closer to £600. The real question is: How much money have you got to throw away?

28 February 2004, 11:20	#7
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Irrespective of price though, with expansions, is there anything the A1200 can't do that the A4000 can? Also, can you attach a Mediator, Accellerator AND Zorro Backplane to an A1200 at the same time?

28 February 2004, 13:07	#8
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	The A4000T was/is a beatiful computer. I prefer it to a towered A1200...

28 February 2004, 13:54	#10
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	If you ever want to buy a PPC Board for your computer, go and get an A4000T, the PPC 604 CPU on the Cyberstorm are a lot faster than the 603 CPU on Blizzard PPC Boards on A1200 Ok, here´s what I would do : - If you have the money, get the A4000T ! It´s a ready to run system and you do not have any incompatability .... Towered A1200 System may suffer from different parts of different manufacturers that will not work together properly (many people have weird crashes with some Micronik Zorro Boards !!!) .... - If you just want a fast towered and cheap (?) system, go and get you an A1200 in a Tower .....

28 February 2004, 14:06	#11
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Cheers RetroMan, that was the sort of info I needed.

01 March 2004, 19:42	#13
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I thought like that because there are more 1200 peripherals created than A4000 ones. Thanks for the correction.

01 March 2004, 19:51	#14
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Well 80% of the A1200 has been sold and the A4000MT is on it's way

02 March 2004, 14:41	#17
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	OK well if you think £600 is the Ebay price for a Cyberstorm 060... I'll sell you TWO for that price and you can make £600 profit. Its time to put your money where your mouth is Seriously tho... you're well out of touch.. An 060 Cyberstorm on Ebay went for £80-odd pound recently. The days of £600 are long gone. How much U reckon my 4000/030/16mb is worth then? its nice and clean and with KS3.1, Buster 11 and proper HD Floppy. U wanna buy?

02 March 2004, 15:15	#18
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 964	Yeah, you're probably right. I haven't looked for Amiga upgrades on eBay for ages. How about £20 for the A4000?

02 March 2004, 15:25	#19
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	U forgot the smiley (or did he??) I will sell it soon enough if I get a sensible offer. So far all the offers I have had have been jokey ones like £20 or £50, people chancing on the off chance of selling on for a profit.

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