Discussion: Rygar AGA Edition

[phx]

Mcgeezer promised to make the game playable with standard Amiga joysticks, so I guess everybody can be happy.

Although I don't understand statements like "don't care for single-button configurations", when nearly all real Amiga joysticks (not talking about joypads) have only a single button. Joypads are another topic. Not everybody wants to play with them.

[saimon69]

@Steril707

You forgot the part where they moan the game is not at cinemaware/factor 5 tech level of creation/craftsmanship

(added later)
And they still don't get that if jumping on any new programmer like that is NOT going to bring them what they want, actually the opposite

[mcgeezer]

Worked on the temple/sanctuary scene today.

What a complete pain in the arse this is proving to be... very frustrating trying to get it right.

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I'll sort it tomorrow - too much xmas dinner and beer making my head shrink.

Geezer

[hansel75]

Maybe a little awkward to use, but to simplify things from a programmers point of view, for single button users you could make the 2nd button the space bar.
And if they don't like it then they can simply buy a 2 button controller and play it the way it's meant to be played.

[alpine9000]

It would be really interesting to see what would happen if someone did release a killer new game requiring a two button stick.

I mean, Turrican 2 kind of needs two buttons, it’s sub-optimal with the space bar, and no-one seems to complain about that.

[Solo Kazuki]

What about keyboard control? It makes no sense to use joystick and [SPACE] for jump.

@Steril707
Yes, it's some kind of weird or funny - buying rather rare and expensive RAM/turbo cards and have problem with 2 button joystick...

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by hansel75

Maybe a little awkward to use, but to simplify things from a programmers point of view, for single button users you could make the 2nd button the space bar.
And if they don't like it then they can simply buy a 2 button controller and play it the way it's meant to be played.

Originally Posted by alpine9000

It would be really interesting to see what would happen if someone did release a killer new game requiring a two button stick.

I mean, Turrican 2 kind of needs two buttons, it’s sub-optimal with the space bar, and no-one seems to complain about that.

Originally Posted by Solo Kazuki

What about keyboard control? It makes no sense to use joystick and [SPACE] for jump.

@Steril707
Yes, it's some kind of weird or funny - buying rather rare and expensive RAM/turbo cards and have problem with 2 button joystick...

A game like Turrican is fine for using the Space Bar.

Can you imagine it in Rygar though? You'd need some replacement space bars to hand I know that.

[Tigerskunk]

Also, if using a Master System pad (like I do for years now without any problems on my Amiga) modding your beloved Competition Pro for two button functionality isn't actually that difficult, as shown here.

http://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/DB9-Joystick

[mcgeezer]

Well I told you I'd sort the carousel stuff... took me all of about 15 minutes this morning before my Boy woke up.

I had a couple of hours this afternoon to finish the carousel animations which have worked out pretty good. There's still a some bugs to do with the end of round redraw code which I need to fix but other than that it looks top notch - I'm really impressed with it.

Next up I'll work on the colour cycling for the water and lava, won't be easy - it never is.

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Geezer

Edit - Forgot to mention there are currently 10,805 lines of assembler in the code excluding tables and constants. Bomb Jack by comparison has 16,577 lines of code.

[Foul]

The animation is very smooth... so cool ! but when the hero (who is not Rygar !) enter the end of the level... i think you can cut some frames... if i remember well... the "turn" is a little bit faster and less detailed...i would say 5-6 frames...

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Foul

The animation is very smooth... so cool ! but when the hero (who is not Rygar !) enter the end of the level... i think you can cut some frames... if i remember well... the "turn" is a little bit faster and less detailed...

I can make it go as fast as I like so I'll fix it in the next build, doing this was very tricky and boring because to test it properly I have to start the level from the beginning.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Foul

The animation is very smooth... so cool ! but when the hero (who is not Rygar !) enter the end of the level... i think you can cut some frames... if i remember well... the "turn" is a little bit faster and less detailed...i would say 5-6 frames...

Cutting some frames ? why ?

The coin-op shows slowly frame by frame how rygar is positioned around the huge jar

[Foul]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Cutting some frames ? why ?

Just to speed up things according the arcade model

Just to see the diff :

Enter from your last video : http://foulweb.free.fr/video/Rygar1.mkv
Enter from arcade : http://foulweb.free.fr/video/Rygar2.mkv

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Foul

Just to speed up things according the arcade model

there's no way to speed up thing, because the arcade itself doesn't use speed.

The whole pattern for the end of the level with rygar is executed slowly.

What McGeezer did is correct, the problem lies in the clipping of the sprite objects. otherwise everything is good

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Foul

Just to speed up things according the arcade model

Just to see the diff :

Enter from your last video : http://foulweb.free.fr/video/Rygar1.mkv
Enter from arcade : http://foulweb.free.fr/video/Rygar2.mkv

Seriously, I can speed it up as fast as I need.

If you don't believe me I just have to remove some of the numbers in the sanctuary table (see attached pic)

[Foul]

i believe you, it's not the prob.. i like so much this game ! played it so much since many years... perfect port is hard to make.. and sincerely your work is fantastic !!!

I'm may be a bit too perfectionist ..

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Foul

i believe you, it's not the prob.. i like so much this game ! played it so much since many years... perfect port is hard to make.. and sincerely your work is fantastic !!!

I'm may be a bit too perfectionist ..

That's fine, I understand.

I'll make it as perfect as I can with the time I have.

[dlfrsilver]

just as a pear for the thirst, i have found this in my original disk of Rygar X68000 :

* Original PCB board functions Presentation *

SCREEN MODES
256x256 pixels ?BG & OBJ layers are in 512×256 pixels?

FIXED Layer (fixe screen used for score display.)
display ability
1 character:
8 × 8 pixels
16 colors from 4096
Palette tiles:
16 colors × 16 tiles
Graphics rom Capacity:
32 KB (1024 tiles)

BG (scrolling screen mainly used for background display)
Display ability
1 character:
16 × 16 pixels
16 colors from 4096
Tiles palette:
16 colors × 16 tiles
Graphics rom capacity:
512 KB (4096 tiles)

OBJ (a sprite moving slowly on screen)
1 tile:
8 × 8
16 × 16
16 × 32
32 × 16
32 × 32 (pixels)
16 colors from 4096
Tiles palette:
16 colors × 16 tiles
Graphics rom capacity:
128 Ko (4 096 tiles of 8 × 8 pixels, 256 tiles of 32 × 32 pixels)
max. number of display sheet:
256 sheets

about the music :
?YM3526(2 sound sources OP FM 9 channels ou sound source FM 6 channels + 5 sound rythms)
?MSM5205(4bit ADPCM)
Shinichiro Tamako

[ross]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Seriously, I can speed it up as fast as I need.

And anyway this extra time can be used to dispatch a floppy loading

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by ross

And anyway this extra time can be used to dispatch a floppy loading

Exactly this! ^^^^