Should no click programs be 100% silent?

liquidsmoke · 29 October 2019, 19:38

im using anti click at the moment, but this applies to other programs aswell.

should they make the drive click 100% silent, or will there always be a very quiet click (like a clock ticking) ?

Samurai_Crow · 29 October 2019, 19:54

If the no-click utility doesn't work, quit using it. The no-click can damage the drive in such a situation.

Predseda · 29 October 2019, 20:00

My no click also ticks quietly.

gulliver · 29 October 2019, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

If the no-click utility doesn't work, quit using it. The no-click can damage the drive in such a situation.

We had a discussion with Thomas about implementing it in AmigaOS, but he found the exact same thing could happen. And there is no way from software to easily tell apart when will it work or when will it damage damage floppies. So the conservative and safe approach prevailed. So no no-click for the OS.

robinsonb5 · 29 October 2019, 20:34

The click is caused by software stepping the drive head, which causes the drive to update the diskchange signal. No-click software works by asking the drive to step the head beyond its normal range. Many drives will ignore such a request (but still update the diskchange signal), and will thus be silent. Other drives will attempt to step anyway, making the softer ticking sound, and potentially causing damage in the process. So if your drive makes any sound at all when no-click is in use, stop using it.

liquidsmoke · 29 October 2019, 20:47

so, if i cant use noclick because it causes a faint 'tick' sound on my official a1200 and external drives, how do i get rid of the annoying sound the drive makes?

tero · 29 October 2019, 21:27

Just put a disk into the drive(s).
I like the sound, but sometimes i do this to silent the drive.

liquidsmoke · 29 October 2019, 21:30

thats a bit jank

is there a utility that can disable the drive completely until i want to use it?

(i know i could pull the cables out the back of the drive but thats inconvenient)

daxb · 30 October 2019, 13:01

Maybe a hardware power switch works for you.

Daedalus · 30 October 2019, 13:37

Bear in mind that the no-click function only works when the drive heads are at track 0. So, even in drives that do support no-click operation, you'll still get up to 80 of the clicks (depending on where the heads were last used) as the heads are slowly moved to track 0, one step at a time. Only when it trips the track 0 sensor will the clicking stop.

Unkown · 03 November 2019, 10:13

I remember using no click and yeah it was silent for me because as much as i do love the amiga i hated that bloody floppy noise with a passion...

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29 October 2019, 19:54	#2
Samurai_Crow Total Chaos forever! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waterville, MN, USA Age: 49 Posts: 2,186	If the no-click utility doesn't work, quit using it. The no-click can damage the drive in such a situation.

29 October 2019, 20:00	#3
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	My no click also ticks quietly.

29 October 2019, 20:34	#5
robinsonb5 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,153	The click is caused by software stepping the drive head, which causes the drive to update the diskchange signal. No-click software works by asking the drive to step the head beyond its normal range. Many drives will ignore such a request (but still update the diskchange signal), and will thus be silent. Other drives will attempt to step anyway, making the softer ticking sound, and potentially causing damage in the process. So if your drive makes any sound at all when no-click is in use, stop using it.

29 October 2019, 20:47	#6
liquidsmoke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: UK Posts: 107	so, if i cant use noclick because it causes a faint 'tick' sound on my official a1200 and external drives, how do i get rid of the annoying sound the drive makes?

29 October 2019, 21:27	#7
tero Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: M'Gladbach Age: 46 Posts: 621	Just put a disk into the drive(s). I like the sound, but sometimes i do this to silent the drive.

29 October 2019, 21:30	#8
liquidsmoke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: UK Posts: 107	thats a bit jank is there a utility that can disable the drive completely until i want to use it? (i know i could pull the cables out the back of the drive but thats inconvenient)

30 October 2019, 13:01	#9
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	Maybe a hardware power switch works for you.

30 October 2019, 13:37	#10
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	Bear in mind that the no-click function only works when the drive heads are at track 0. So, even in drives that do support no-click operation, you'll still get up to 80 of the clicks (depending on where the heads were last used) as the heads are slowly moved to track 0, one step at a time. Only when it trips the track 0 sensor will the clicking stop.

03 November 2019, 10:13	#11
Unkown The Old Fart! Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Last Seen In Purgatory! Age: 57 Posts: 122	I remember using no click and yeah it was silent for me because as much as i do love the amiga i hated that bloody floppy noise with a passion...

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