CD32 Video Skipping

Kitty · 04 October 2009, 16:55

Ive noticed even when I have WinUAE set on high priority in Settings, some video scenes on CD32 games still tend to skip (James Pond 3 & Zool noticeably), the actual gameplay runs fine though, anyone know if this is a normal or is it a problem that can be fixed?

NewDeli · 04 October 2009, 18:22

you need this
CD32 - Extended Kickstart
as the supporting ROM

Barely setting the main ROM to CD32 - Kickstart 3.1 is not enough

I myself wouldn't bother playing James Pond 3 from the CD32, as it doesn't bear any difference at all with the floppy versions.

Kitty · 04 October 2009, 20:24

Quote:

you need this
CD32 - Extended Kickstart
as the supporting ROM

I have that already I dont think CD32 emulation will work without it anyway.

Toni Wilen · 04 October 2009, 20:25

2.0 betas have rewritten CD32 cd emulation but it still isn't 100% smooth.

NewDeli · 04 October 2009, 21:07

Zool is smooth here, but host PC may be a tad faster than kitty's.

Here's my config, as closely resembling the CD32 QuickConfig one as possible.
Try to view it, and analyze how it differs from yours (provided you have created a custom one)
in plain text before loading it.

EDIT :
config removed

Kitty · 04 October 2009, 21:35

Hmm lol, I couldnt get that config file to work at all xD

My pc is an AMD64 2000 MHz with 1.5GB of ram and a Geforce 7600 GS, yeah its getting dated now could do with a Dual Core I guess ..

The Video skipping isnt hugely noticable but as Toni said if its not 100% smooth then that may be the reason. The actual gameplay is fine.

TCD · 04 October 2009, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitty

Hmm lol, I couldnt get that config file to work at all xD

Same here and I actually have no idea why. I changed ASPI back to SPTI and adjusted the ROMs, but the game won't boot. It boots with the quickstart, but has 'skippy' sound in the vid

Toni Wilen · 04 October 2009, 21:38

Please, just stop posting configurations for non-special configurations. You are not helping, actually you are making my job much more difficult. Just stop it.

There is big difference between trying to FIND the problem and jumping to conclusions instantly.

1. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get smooth CD32 animations with old WinUAE versions.
2. your PC is not same as mine or OPs.
3. I'll ignore any non-quickstart config instantly
4. there can be problems with future versions

cosmicfrog · 04 October 2009, 21:51

Well said toni

Perhapse we could have a thread with the basic configs listed with what the options do
as seems to me lots of ppl come to winuae without knowing the specs of the machine they are trying to emulate.
Some times I think you should start all ya posts with try it with default A500 config hehehe

NewDeli · 04 October 2009, 21:59

Try to reproduce your animation problem with Kid Chaos, it bears also a fast multi-directional scroller.

@Toni
All I am trying to illustrate is that INMHO kitty should have one config for each situation by now.
To me nothing can replace a set comprised of a custom CD32, WB, and A500 one,
once you get familiar with QuickConfig's predefined settings.

I'll "deal" config's with OPs in private, no worries
(except when posting one is absolutely necessary for my own issues)

Kitty · 31 October 2009, 01:37

CD32 MPEG Cartridge ROM rev 40.30 (256k)

I cant find that anywhere, but would that be the reason for video emulation not quite 100% yet due to real Amiga CD32's needing that cartridge to play the video correctly? Or am I just grasping straws here?

TCD · 31 October 2009, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitty

I havnt found that yet, but would that help the problem at all?

Nope. It's only for playing Video-CDs.

sayasupacrew · 27 December 2009, 16:34

i need a 40.30 rom files for my Full motion card, for my cd 32 video game. Can you send me

thanks you

Kitty · 29 December 2009, 19:14

Google? First rule of fight club do not request kick roms!

NewDeli · 29 December 2009, 19:24

Never mind Kitty ! Thomas is not a rule breaker but a lost soul from the French MorphOS scene. I will check on IRC if someone hasn't sent him the file yet.

Retro-Nerd · 29 December 2009, 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitty

Google? First rule of fight club do not request kick roms!

Roms for a FMV expansion, not Kickstart roms. I guess there should be no problems with it.

NewDeli · 29 December 2009, 19:53

Could someone put this (these) rom(s) in the zone, then ? Then I shall mail them as attachments.
May I ask is it for adding video playback capabilities to the CD32 ? Is it a feature supported by WinUAE ?

(Feel free to split the thread Toni)

Retro-Nerd · 29 December 2009, 19:56

For VCD and CD-I Video. Some games like Cannon Fodder have MPEG intros too. Currently not supported in WinUAE.

Toni Wilen · 29 December 2009, 20:24

(I don't know what to split, some other moderator can do it)

afaik Cannon Fodder is the only game..

Technically all information required to emulate MPEG cartridge is now known (mpeg and audio chip documentation, schematics, address space, etc..) but it won't happen quickly because it is the most complex pointless feature.

(technically ROM contains KS stuff because there is updated cd.device but I don't really care)

04 October 2009, 16:55	#1
Kitty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 1,532	CD32 Video Skipping Ive noticed even when I have WinUAE set on high priority in Settings, some video scenes on CD32 games still tend to skip (James Pond 3 & Zool noticeably), the actual gameplay runs fine though, anyone know if this is a normal or is it a problem that can be fixed?

04 October 2009, 21:07	#5
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Zool is smooth here, but host PC may be a tad faster than kitty's. Here's my config, as closely resembling the CD32 QuickConfig one as possible. Try to view it, and analyze how it differs from yours (provided you have created a custom one) in plain text before loading it. EDIT : config removed Last edited by NewDeli; 04 October 2009 at 21:54.

04 October 2009, 21:59	#10
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Try to reproduce your animation problem with Kid Chaos, it bears also a fast multi-directional scroller. @Toni All I am trying to illustrate is that INMHO kitty should have one config for each situation by now. To me nothing can replace a set comprised of a custom CD32, WB, and A500 one, once you get familiar with QuickConfig's predefined settings. I'll "deal" config's with OPs in private, no worries (except when posting one is absolutely necessary for my own issues) Last edited by NewDeli; 04 October 2009 at 22:43.

27 December 2009, 16:34	#13
sayasupacrew Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: noirmoutier france Age: 54 Posts: 45	i need a 40.30 rom files for my Full motion card, for my cd 32 video game. Can you send me thanks you Last edited by sayasupacrew; 03 October 2010 at 13:04.

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04 October 2009, 18:22	#2
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	you need this CD32 - Extended Kickstart as the supporting ROM Barely setting the main ROM to CD32 - Kickstart 3.1 is not enough I myself wouldn't bother playing James Pond 3 from the CD32, as it doesn't bear any difference at all with the floppy versions.

04 October 2009, 20:25	#4
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	2.0 betas have rewritten CD32 cd emulation but it still isn't 100% smooth.

04 October 2009, 21:35	#6
Kitty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 1,532	Hmm lol, I couldnt get that config file to work at all xD My pc is an AMD64 2000 MHz with 1.5GB of ram and a Geforce 7600 GS, yeah its getting dated now could do with a Dual Core I guess .. The Video skipping isnt hugely noticable but as Toni said if its not 100% smooth then that may be the reason. The actual gameplay is fine.

04 October 2009, 21:38	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Please, just stop posting configurations for non-special configurations. You are not helping, actually you are making my job much more difficult. Just stop it. There is big difference between trying to FIND the problem and jumping to conclusions instantly. 1. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get smooth CD32 animations with old WinUAE versions. 2. your PC is not same as mine or OPs. 3. I'll ignore any non-quickstart config instantly 4. there can be problems with future versions

04 October 2009, 21:51	#9
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	Well said toni Perhapse we could have a thread with the basic configs listed with what the options do as seems to me lots of ppl come to winuae without knowing the specs of the machine they are trying to emulate. Some times I think you should start all ya posts with try it with default A500 config hehehe

31 October 2009, 01:37	#11
Kitty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 1,532	CD32 MPEG Cartridge ROM rev 40.30 (256k) I cant find that anywhere, but would that be the reason for video emulation not quite 100% yet due to real Amiga CD32's needing that cartridge to play the video correctly? Or am I just grasping straws here?

29 December 2009, 19:14	#14
Kitty Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 1,532	Google? First rule of fight club do not request kick roms!

29 December 2009, 19:24	#15
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Never mind Kitty ! Thomas is not a rule breaker but a lost soul from the French MorphOS scene. I will check on IRC if someone hasn't sent him the file yet.

29 December 2009, 19:53	#17
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	Could someone put this (these) rom(s) in the zone, then ? Then I shall mail them as attachments. May I ask is it for adding video playback capabilities to the CD32 ? Is it a feature supported by WinUAE ? (Feel free to split the thread Toni)

29 December 2009, 19:56	#18
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	For VCD and CD-I Video. Some games like Cannon Fodder have MPEG intros too. Currently not supported in WinUAE.

29 December 2009, 20:24	#19
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	(I don't know what to split, some other moderator can do it) afaik Cannon Fodder is the only game.. Technically all information required to emulate MPEG cartridge is now known (mpeg and audio chip documentation, schematics, address space, etc..) but it won't happen quickly because it is the most complex pointless feature. (technically ROM contains KS stuff because there is updated cd.device but I don't really care)

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