060 based configuration in winuae step by step

honx · 18 July 2019, 07:28

is there any tutorial available for setting up a working 68060 based configuration within winuae?
all my configs (up to 040) work well but if i set any of these to 060 cpu, no boot, only guru meditation.
and now there are some demoscene produtions i want to watch (not on youtube), which require 060.
so i need one configuration for 68060. so how do i set this up correctly?

or is there something preconfigured available (without copyright files of course), where i just need to copy necessary os files?

britelite · 18 July 2019, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx

and now there are some demoscene produtions i want to watch (not on youtube), which require 060.

Have you tried them on your 040 configuration? Very few prods actually require a 68060, it's usually only recommended due to speed issues on actual hardware (which is not an issue on WinUAE).

EDIT: but to answer your question, your 040-config should be fine, just make sure you have 68060.library installed (and 68040.library either replaced by the stub or removed, depending on OS version).

Toni Wilen · 18 July 2019, 08:31

Also this is not winuae specific. 68060, real or not, requires same software installation or following will happen:

a) incompatible library: crash at boot (when setpatch runs)
b) missing library or incorrectly installed library: FPU stays disabled (and real 68060 will be really slow) and you will get guru sooner or later.

honx · 18 July 2019, 09:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by britelite

Have you tried them on your 040 configuration? Very few prods actually require a 68060, it's usually only recommended due to speed issues on actual hardware (which is not an issue on WinUAE).

i tried both knarkzilla and de profundis. in 040 config in both cases guru or this "disc activity" error with "reboot now", "reboot later"...

Quote:

Originally Posted by britelite

EDIT: but to answer your question, your 040-config should be fine, just make sure you have 68060.library installed (and 68040.library either replaced by the stub or removed, depending on OS version).

my main system is running workbench 3.9 boingbag 2. what exactly is a "stub"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Also this is not winuae specific. 68060, real or not, requires same software installation or following will happen:

my problem is: i never actually installed anything 060 related. so i don't exactly know what to do...

britelite · 18 July 2019, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx

i tried both knarkzilla and de profundis. in 040 config in both cases guru or this "disc activity" error with "reboot now", "reboot later"...

De Profundis is for A500, so you're better off running it on an A500 config anyway

As for Knarkzilla, the problem could be elsewhere in your config. Have you tried booting without startup-sequence and only running setpatch before starting the demo?

malko · 18 July 2019, 09:34

This FAQ may help you ?
And I will check tonight if I can find back a 060 config that I had (not sure but will check).

Tomislav · 18 July 2019, 12:30

I used Quickstart A4000/040 and set CPU to 060. Screen is looking like Amiga is always restarting and Power LED is flashing. When I check (by default it is not checked) bsdsocket.library Amiga starts normally with boot screen. With normal Quickstart A4000/040 it starts normally.

Checked earlier versions and it starts from 4.0.1 beta 3. Beta 2 don't have that problem.

Edit: It starts normally if I use some expansion/RTG board. Also checked with "Board Type" in ROMs with New UAE options starts normally and with Original UAE or ROM disabled have problem.

Toni Wilen · 18 July 2019, 15:58

Missing condition for this situation when I made 68060 FPU disable match real world behavior when using accelerator boards.

If no 68060 accelerator enabled and UAE boot ROM enabled but not in use: FPU is not disabled, causing exec to crash (except if KS 3.1.4).

Fortunately this won't happen in normal use case.

Foebane · 19 July 2019, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by britelite

Have you tried them on your 040 configuration? Very few prods actually require a 68060, it's usually only recommended due to speed issues on actual hardware (which is not an issue on WinUAE).

For those rare demos that refuse to run unless they detect a 68060, I use a little C program called "Make060" before the demo to nullify that problem neatly. They've always run fine afterwards. Of course, this is on WinUAE.

honx · 19 July 2019, 10:22

at least i was able to run knarkzilla, i actually had to boot without startup-sequence.
navigating cli (finding characters like ", :, and /) without german keymaps is a sience in itself.

but for future it would be nice to have a fully working 060 configuration, just in case...

AMIGASYSTEM · 20 July 2019, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by honx

but for future it would be nice to have a fully working 060 configuration, just in case...

To get a 68060 system, if you install OS 3.1.4 or 3.9 everything is easier just copy the libraries you find in this archive (if you already have rename your 68040.library):

http://phase5.a1k.org/files/040_060Libs.lha

leonard · 24 August 2019, 11:41

De Profundis is A500 demo but it's supposed to work on all amiga ( at least that's the goal

)
I tested the 68060 version in winuae and it worked at that time. Maybe there are other winuae 060 options I didn't tested properly.
Do you have a winaue config file to share that make De Profundis crash?

Seiya · 24 August 2019, 15:09

i'm trying De Profundis on WinUAE with A4000 setup, rom 3.1 A4000, cpu 68060, 256 MB of meory and works greatly!!

hexaae · 25 August 2019, 08:23

Just install MMULib from Aminet to handle any CPU easily including 060. Once installed you'll be able to boot (using same WinUAE cfg) with any CPU model you set.

honx · 25 August 2019, 09:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by hexaae

Just install MMULib from Aminet to handle any CPU easily including 060.

i think, i will try this mmulib out on my main amigaos 3.9 configuration next weekend, after i did full backup of its hardfiles.
which installation type should i go for? full install? because mmulib comes with very much stuff as i have seen/read so far...
is there any trouble to expect, if inofficial boingbags 3/4 (http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/#bb) are installed already?

hexaae · 25 August 2019, 14:08

No, just follow std installation and/or copy all 680x0 libs in the archive to LIBS: after you've installed MMULib (if it installed only your actual CPU at install time).

AMIGASYSTEM · 26 August 2019, 09:49

You can also copy everything manually into the respective folders.

18 July 2019, 07:28	#1
honx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Klagenfurt / Austria Posts: 1,571	060 based configuration in winuae step by step is there any tutorial available for setting up a working 68060 based configuration within winuae? all my configs (up to 040) work well but if i set any of these to 060 cpu, no boot, only guru meditation. and now there are some demoscene produtions i want to watch (not on youtube), which require 060. so i need one configuration for 68060. so how do i set this up correctly? or is there something preconfigured available (without copyright files of course), where i just need to copy necessary os files?

18 July 2019, 12:30	#7
Tomislav Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Zagreb / Croatia Posts: 302	I used Quickstart A4000/040 and set CPU to 060. Screen is looking like Amiga is always restarting and Power LED is flashing. When I check (by default it is not checked) bsdsocket.library Amiga starts normally with boot screen. With normal Quickstart A4000/040 it starts normally. Checked earlier versions and it starts from 4.0.1 beta 3. Beta 2 don't have that problem. Edit: It starts normally if I use some expansion/RTG board. Also checked with "Board Type" in ROMs with New UAE options starts normally and with Original UAE or ROM disabled have problem. Last edited by Tomislav; 18 July 2019 at 14:12.

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18 July 2019, 08:31	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	Also this is not winuae specific. 68060, real or not, requires same software installation or following will happen: a) incompatible library: crash at boot (when setpatch runs) b) missing library or incorrectly installed library: FPU stays disabled (and real 68060 will be really slow) and you will get guru sooner or later.

18 July 2019, 09:34	#6
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 5,057	This FAQ may help you ? And I will check tonight if I can find back a 060 config that I had (not sure but will check).

18 July 2019, 15:58	#8
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,574	Missing condition for this situation when I made 68060 FPU disable match real world behavior when using accelerator boards. If no 68060 accelerator enabled and UAE boot ROM enabled but not in use: FPU is not disabled, causing exec to crash (except if KS 3.1.4). Fortunately this won't happen in normal use case.

19 July 2019, 10:22	#10
honx Registered User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Klagenfurt / Austria Posts: 1,571	at least i was able to run knarkzilla, i actually had to boot without startup-sequence. navigating cli (finding characters like ", :, and /) without german keymaps is a sience in itself. but for future it would be nice to have a fully working 060 configuration, just in case...

24 August 2019, 11:41	#12
leonard Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: paris Posts: 133	De Profundis is A500 demo but it's supposed to work on all amiga ( at least that's the goal ) I tested the 68060 version in winuae and it worked at that time. Maybe there are other winuae 060 options I didn't tested properly. Do you have a winaue config file to share that make De Profundis crash?

24 August 2019, 15:09	#13
Seiya Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 2,448	i'm trying De Profundis on WinUAE with A4000 setup, rom 3.1 A4000, cpu 68060, 256 MB of meory and works greatly!!

25 August 2019, 08:23	#14
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,171	Just install MMULib from Aminet to handle any CPU easily including 060. Once installed you'll be able to boot (using same WinUAE cfg) with any CPU model you set.

25 August 2019, 14:08	#16
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,171	No, just follow std installation and/or copy all 680x0 libs in the archive to LIBS: after you've installed MMULib (if it installed only your actual CPU at install time).

26 August 2019, 09:49	#17
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,264	You can also copy everything manually into the respective folders.

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