Advice needed! want to use a 15gb drive on amiga!

ElectroBlaster · 12 May 2002, 22:14

Hi!

I have a spare 15gb quantum fireball ata100 drive sitting here and I want it in my amiga tower.

The tower is:

A1200 1D.1
Kickstart 3.1 roms
Workbench 3.5
Buffered ide interface
Blizzard 030 50mhz

Cuzz i have never fitted anything larger than 2gig's to any amiga i have owned I just need to know will there be any problems!

jmmijo · 12 May 2002, 22:30

Since you have the KS3.1 roms, this is required for proper support of course. I thought there was a filesystem patch as well, not sure if it came with OS3.5 or not, I think it did

So having said this, the drive should work fine if this is already in place.

blackcornflake · 12 May 2002, 22:30

There should be no problems, as your Amiga runs OS3.5. This version includes updates to FFS (Fast File System) to allow for just this sort of thing, i.e. HDs >4GB.

Plug 'n' play!

ElectroBlaster · 12 May 2002, 22:35

Thats great

But as the 15gb is going to the main drive am I right in thinking it will only pick up the first 4gig's then after 3.5 is installed I can get to the rest of the space?

jmmijo · 12 May 2002, 22:56

You should be able to get the entire disk space if you boot off of the OS3.5 Install disk

ElectroBlaster · 12 May 2002, 23:01

Thanx m8!

12 May 2002, 23:20

there was a similar discussion here:
http://www.abime.net/eab/showthread....highlight=hard

Right now, I'm using my 20gb HD with os3.9 but it is my second HD (connected to 4 way ide adapter with another HD and a cd-rom) Whenever I boot without startup-sequence, or from another drive that os 3.5 of 3.9 is not installed, I cannot access it. Else it works fine.

blackcornflake · 12 May 2002, 23:37

Caveat: Maximum partition and/or file size is still 4GB. The capability to recognise larger devices is a patch, essentially.

It's all about 32-bit vs 64-bit arithmetic. Largest number storable in 32 bits = binary 4 billion.

New Style Devices (NSD) is a new specification for device drivers in AmigaOS which adds commands for storing locations on drives using 64-bit operations. NSDPatch is built into SetPatch from OS3.5 onwards. HDToolBox, Format and Info are all now updated. Booting from a <OS3.5 drive means that the new Setpatch is not loaded, and the extra drive size is not seen.

Note! Certain software will not work properly if located 'after' the first 4GB, for example ReOrg and DiskSalv.

Sorry about the sluggish response time, ElectroBlaster. I was involved in a bit of a SlamTilt tourney.

jmmijo · 12 May 2002, 23:49

Good info, so to play it safe then you may want to consider no bigger then 4GB partition sizes

ElectroBlaster · 13 May 2002, 00:09

Thanx guys

im going to fit it later on and have a crack at it!
i might leave the 1gig in as the primary drive and use the 15gb as a slave drive maybe.....

Amiga1992 · 13 May 2002, 00:16

I'd say you better partition it. You can use the SFS filesystem too, instead of having to upgrade to OS3.5

ElectroBlaster · 13 May 2002, 00:23

Where can i get SFS? aminet yes?

is it freeware?

RetroMan · 13 May 2002, 00:32

Quote:

Originally posted by ElectroBlaster
Where can i get SFS?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~hjohn/SFS/

Quote:

is it freeware?

Yep

ElectroBlaster · 13 May 2002, 00:47

Thanx for that link m8

lots of good info!

Frog · 13 May 2002, 01:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Burseg
Whenever I boot without startup-sequence, or from another drive that os 3.5 of 3.9 is not installed, I cannot access it. Else it works fine.

You can use loadmodule (available in MMU.library package on aminet) to make filesystem resident and others 3.5/3.9 add resident.

Personally i use Blizkick to do such thing as i have only ROM3.0 and so i need to kick a 3.1 image file.

SYS:C/BlizKick DEVS:Kickstart/kick40068.A1200 EXTRESBUF=116000 HOGWAITBLIT MODULE NoClick BBlank RamLibstack Filesystem.resource Fastfilesystem.resource Fastfilesystem scsi.device exec.library SpeedyIDE ram-handler LIBS:icon.library QUIET

Once you have boot 1 time, all are resident and so all partition are available.

Hope that help.

ElectroBlaster · 16 May 2002, 22:35

I posted here a few days ago asking for advice on setting up a 15gb drive on an a1200 tower and thanx to you all for the info for the stuff i needed etc

But im still stuck as i can only get 8gig's outta it? i think im not getting this right as i read about a 20gig drive working fully but with os3.9 where im using 3.5.....oh yeh also im getting silly problems with the drive saying its write protected.. the drive is fine on our pc's tho???

// RetroMan : Please keep it simple and post these issues in one thread ... no need to open a second one ....

12 May 2002, 22:14	#1
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Advice needed! want to use a 15gb drive on amiga! Hi! I have a spare 15gb quantum fireball ata100 drive sitting here and I want it in my amiga tower. The tower is: A1200 1D.1 Kickstart 3.1 roms Workbench 3.5 Buffered ide interface Blizzard 030 50mhz Cuzz i have never fitted anything larger than 2gig's to any amiga i have owned I just need to know will there be any problems!

16 May 2002, 22:35	#16
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Problems with 15GB drive on amiga? I posted here a few days ago asking for advice on setting up a 15gb drive on an a1200 tower and thanx to you all for the info for the stuff i needed etc But im still stuck as i can only get 8gig's outta it? i think im not getting this right as i read about a 20gig drive working fully but with os3.9 where im using 3.5.....oh yeh also im getting silly problems with the drive saying its write protected.. the drive is fine on our pc's tho??? // RetroMan : Please keep it simple and post these issues in one thread ... no need to open a second one .... Last edited by RetroMan; 16 May 2002 at 22:42.

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12 May 2002, 22:30	#2
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,396	Since you have the KS3.1 roms, this is required for proper support of course. I thought there was a filesystem patch as well, not sure if it came with OS3.5 or not, I think it did So having said this, the drive should work fine if this is already in place.

12 May 2002, 22:30	#3
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 804	There should be no problems, as your Amiga runs OS3.5. This version includes updates to FFS (Fast File System) to allow for just this sort of thing, i.e. HDs >4GB. Plug 'n' play!

12 May 2002, 22:35	#4
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Thats great But as the 15gb is going to the main drive am I right in thinking it will only pick up the first 4gig's then after 3.5 is installed I can get to the rest of the space?

12 May 2002, 22:56	#5
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,396	You should be able to get the entire disk space if you boot off of the OS3.5 Install disk

12 May 2002, 23:01	#6
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Thanx m8!

12 May 2002, 23:20	#7
oldpx Posts: n/a	there was a similar discussion here: http://www.abime.net/eab/showthread....highlight=hard Right now, I'm using my 20gb HD with os3.9 but it is my second HD (connected to 4 way ide adapter with another HD and a cd-rom) Whenever I boot without startup-sequence, or from another drive that os 3.5 of 3.9 is not installed, I cannot access it. Else it works fine.

12 May 2002, 23:37	#8
blackcornflake Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cereal box Posts: 804	Caveat: Maximum partition and/or file size is still 4GB. The capability to recognise larger devices is a patch, essentially. It's all about 32-bit vs 64-bit arithmetic. Largest number storable in 32 bits = binary 4 billion. New Style Devices (NSD) is a new specification for device drivers in AmigaOS which adds commands for storing locations on drives using 64-bit operations. NSDPatch is built into SetPatch from OS3.5 onwards. HDToolBox, Format and Info are all now updated. Booting from a <OS3.5 drive means that the new Setpatch is not loaded, and the extra drive size is not seen. Note! Certain software will not work properly if located 'after' the first 4GB, for example ReOrg and DiskSalv. Sorry about the sluggish response time, ElectroBlaster. I was involved in a bit of a SlamTilt tourney.

12 May 2002, 23:49	#9
jmmijo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PDX Age: 62 Posts: 2,396	Good info, so to play it safe then you may want to consider no bigger then 4GB partition sizes

13 May 2002, 00:09	#10
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Thanx guys im going to fit it later on and have a crack at it! i might leave the 1gig in as the primary drive and use the 15gb as a slave drive maybe.....

13 May 2002, 00:16	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	I'd say you better partition it. You can use the SFS filesystem too, instead of having to upgrade to OS3.5

13 May 2002, 00:23	#12
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Where can i get SFS? aminet yes? is it freeware?

13 May 2002, 00:47	#14
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 50 Posts: 1,714	Thanx for that link m8 lots of good info!

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