Some little things I stumbled upon

[dreadnought]

Have, ummm, fun

[NPI]

I have uploaded dbs for this "game".
Unrelated I have uploaded dbs and screenshots for Umut Tarlalary http://hol.abime.net/3663

[TCD]

Thank you Both DBS and the screenshots have been added.

[AMIPEGUSER]

Hey,

I always thought, that Headcoach and Headcoach Pro Football Sim was the same game in different Version but I see there different.
BUT... I have a second Version from Headcoach V3 with a different Handbook from The Midnight Oil not from Coda Software.
The Programm seems the same. Midnight Oil was it Australian Publisher???

Question:
There are three Versions of Rockford in HOL.
One is the Flatpack from Arcadia without Diskscan
The Other is the Boxed Version from Melbourne House with Diskscan.
What is the coin up Version there is a Diskscan.
I have the Arcadia Flatpack here and it has the same Disk which is shown at the coin up.
???

[TCD]

Originally Posted by AMIPEGUSER

Hey,

I always thought, that Headcoach and Headcoach Pro Football Sim was the same game in different Version but I see there different.
BUT... I have a second Version from Headcoach V3 with a different Handbook from The Midnight Oil not from Coda Software.
The Programm seems the same. Midnight Oil was it Australian Publisher???

That might very well be Just send some pictures and the info will be added

Originally Posted by AMIPEGUSER

Question:
There are three Versions of Rockford in HOL.
One is the Flatpack from Arcadia without Diskscan
The Other is the Boxed Version from Melbourne House with Diskscan.
What is the coin up Version there is a Diskscan.
I have the Arcadia Flatpack here and it has the same Disk which is shown at the coin up.
???

Those Arcadia versions are indeed interesting. I need to read up on it before I can say more about it, but maybe somebody else can shed some light on what Arcadia was and how they sold their games.

[NPI]

Arcadia is an Arcade system similar to the Magnet System (by EFOSA), that uses floppy disks.

https://www.recreativas.org/magnet-system-2427-efosa

A thread mentioning some history about it: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=94974

Pool and Rockford are the only games not dumped (in MAME). There is also mentions of Mr. Do Run, X-Soldier (Time Soldier) and Zeta Force (unknown game) but those three might not be released.

Unrelated, another never released arcade game mentioned in HoL is Dark Chamber. http://hol.abime.net/4406

It uses PLUTO motherboard, and the demo is probably lost forever.
https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2021/12/dark-chamber/

[TCD]

Originally Posted by NPI

Arcadia is an Arcade system similar to the Magnet System (by EFOSA), that uses floppy disks.

The thing that I'm interested in is if they ended up selling 'Arcadia' versions to 'home' Amiga owners. It seems like the Arcadia versions of games work in non Arcadia hardware or they released versions that did not need the hardware. Either way I don't know how to handle that hardware system properly yet.

[AMIPEGUSER]

TCD has updated the OCS Version of Rockford with my scans.
The new Diskscan is the Version of the Arcadia Flatback, also the black Manual Cover Scan
in Misc.
If Arcadia is a different System to Amiga, so it has nothing to with HOL.
If there is a conversion of this Arcadia System to Amiga, than there must be no Diskscan, in my opinion.
If we have an Atari conversion we also did not scan the Atari Box or Disk???!!!

[TCD]

It's a bit confusing (at least for me ). Thanks for the scans

[dreadnought]

Some more "little things", from my work on subsequent years for Play It By Year.

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1992

Dungeon Master 3.6 no WHDL
Harpoon Scenario Editor no WHDL
Big 100 is a compilation?
ESS Mega has relationship with ESS
Fun School 4 5-7) is in tosec
Kid's Academy shopping basket - tosec lists as 1992, others in this series are also 1992
Oxyd has relation to Oxyd Magnum


1993
Erbe 2 - no WHDLoad?
jocky wilson;s compendium - no WHDLoad?
Mickey's 123 - WHDL only French ver
Civilization AGA has WHDL
Fast Brain has WHDL
Sim Life AGA - has WHDL
Megaball non-AGA 3.0 - does exist?
Transarctica AGA - has WHDL

1994
Humans 1 &2 - no whdl?
Marblelous - no whdl?
Ant Wars not in HoL
Bundesliga Manager Hattrick Editor - no entry
Chaos (Alastair Murray) PD
Kick Off 3 AGA - has WHDL
Maelstrom - there is a DE version available (regarding notes)
Power Games - is a compilation
Space Taxi 1 /2 - no entry
Schach Deluxe - there is an earlier version 1.00 from 1993 in TOSEC
Skoczny Jacus - adf miss, WHDL avail in eab forum attachment
Spaceword Ho! - has AGA version?
Tactical Manager - The Scottish League ver missing?
Tornado AGA - has WHDL
Wieza Hanoi - TOSEC says demo only?
Xenomorphs - TOSEC says demo only?
Zestaw Gier Dzieciecych (PL)



1995
Around - no adf, only Aladin WHDL?
Bouncer - Tosec has demo-only?
Candy puzzle - has WHDL
Charlie Chimp And The Treasure Of Tutankhamun - listed as 1995, but notes say it was an exclusive for a 1996 coverdisk
Super Skidmarks - has WHDLS

[TCD]

Thank you for the notes As I have said before anything related to WHDLoad info would be better reported to the WHDLoad team as we can't change it.

[dreadnought]

I'm working on the "0000"* tagged games from HoL at the moment. Trying to do a little digging as to when they were released (or un-released). Not sure if you're interested in this data, since obviously some of the entries are clearly marked as "unreleased" and so it's understandable why HoL might not want to list the year (it's useful for my collection though). But some others are perhaps more clear cut and could warrant an amendment, eg Black Dawn has been confirmed on eab as released in 1993 (correction: 1994 apparently).

*btw, is there any reason why there are two options - "0" and "0000"? They seem to list exactly the same games.

Here's some data so far:

1989
Antispyrel

1991
Ack-Ack
Amigoids - OK! Amiga Power 5 (Sep 1991) Disk 5


1992
3D Kit II World

1993
4-In-A-Line


1994
Albion
Alchemy (Psygnosis)
BiffBoarding
7 dni a 7 noci
Black Dawn
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1996
Atmosfear - unr
Atrophy - unr

1997
Almagica demo

1998
Amiga Resident Evil demo


2000
ACSYS

2007
Agricola

2005
-Basket Island demo pl

2016
Alarcity

[TCD]

Thank you for the information Right now I'm busy with processing scans, but I'll get to it eventually. You are right about '0' and '0000'. It should be consistent.

[dreadnought]

No worries, I will keep making notes, and will update this thread at some future point.

[TCD]

I've added the years to those games that were released. For unreleased games we usually don't add the 'year' information. I've also updated the Alarcity entries to 'unreleased'.

The '0' and '0000' problem is a bug that eventually will be fixed.

[dreadnought]

Thanks for sorting it out, as always

I know "unreleased" games are just that, so no point in putting the year there, though it's nice to read about it in the notes. After the last batch I mostly stopped taking notes for them though. The rest are games I found dates for, mostly on TOSEC's say so, but sometimes in-game mention, etc.

As it is, I've just finished the 85-95 crawl (and so the collection's "complete" for now) and here's the rest of the notes ....sorry


1988
Razzle Dazzle
Siege On London
King Of The Barbarians (1988 PD according to TOSEC)
Outlander (demo)

1989
Cave Runner
City limits - demo rolling
Crimetown Depths - demo rolling
Football Manager 2 Expansion Kit - ipf
King Of The Barbarians (1989 commercial according to TOSEC))


1990
Puzzle Book
Dirty Moves
Dragon's Kingdom - demo
Mondial 90 Simulation
Damocles: Mission Disk 2
Kin
Microbattle
Mystere - Fuga Dal Castello di Lockness

1991
Bleed II
Conquestador Map-Editor
Dark Things - licencew
Future Combat Part 2 (PD)
Magnatron (SW)
Mayhem (Ensignia) - not in HoL
Mickey Et La Machine À Mots Croisés
Seven Tiles
Tile Trial
Wastelands
Far West
Football Boss
Official Rangers Football Club Game, The
Time Horn

1992
Block-Buster
Bounce'n'Blast
Monopoli 2
No Buddies Land - game found
Schoolyard Slaughter
Serene III
Super BlockOut
Super Pacman 92
Block-Buster
Bounce'n'Blast
Monopoli 2
No Buddies Land - game found
Schoolyard Slaughter
Serene III
Super BlockOut
Super Pacman 92

1993
Crime Inc
Great Escape Of Billy Burglar, The
D.I.Y
High Octane
Nibby Nibble
Imperial
Division One 92 aka Premier Soccer
Nomansland


1994
Legend Of rome
Moving
Blork
Dent A Wolf
Dr. Mario
Harold (The Hairy Hermit)
High Octane - New Fast Version (from TOSEC)
KlakTris (SW)
Mad Fighters II
Morton Strikes Back AGA
Scuba Diver
Shepherd, The
Thinkamania

1995
Brutal Homicide
Death Angel - PD
Energy - demo
Mongol Commander

1996
Date Girl aka Date Girls Club
Fatal Noise
Hilt II Mission Editor
Knock Out (PD)
Mongol Commander v2.0
Pioneers (PD)

1997
Fayoh (SW)
War In The New Era Solar System

1998
Gringos

1999
Lord Of Alcandria: Chapter II

2000
Lord Of Alcandria: Chapter III

2013
Cropky

[TCD]

Thank you I'll go through the list during the next days

[dreadnought]

Hi TDC, as per our conversation elsewhere, I have some of these TOSEC - not - in - HOL games for you. There are over 100 of them so I've just uploaded my working dir to the Zone instead posting a long list here, might be more convenient for you in case you'd like to see them running in WinUAE or whatever.

Please note that not all of them are missing from HOL - I made this by comparing latest official TOSEC (PD, EDU and main GAME archives) against my collection, not HOL itself (though I did a lot of HOL checks too). In theory my collection should mirror HOL but in practice not always, so some of these titles are already included.

Sorry, but trying to sort them completely out would be a bit too much for me. It's already quite an undertaking, hence only letter A for now ( I need a break).

[TCD]

Thank you I'll have a look at the archive.

[NPI]

Thank you Dreadnought.

Some games are in HoL under a different name (Amiga Roulette - Roulette-Royal).

The only game not in HoL is Aardrijkskunde Spelenderwijs v1.0. Weird dutch title, might be PD, I can't tell.