How hard is it to port OpenMSX?

xboxown · 26 March 2019, 17:55

I do not know if this is post it before. How hard is it to port OpenMSX to Amiga RTG system?

https://github.com/openMSX/openMSX

Thanks in advance.

nogginthenog · 26 March 2019, 20:06

Quick scan of the source:

It's C++ which may be a problem for our lowly Amigas (not always). We have a modern C++ compiler with Beebo's GCC port but it looks to use the CLang compiler.

We have SDL for graphics.

I wouldn't attempt it. Use a PC.

grelbfarlk · 28 March 2019, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by xboxown

I do not know if this is post it before. How hard is it to port OpenMSX to Amiga RTG system?

https://github.com/openMSX/openMSX

Thanks in advance.

It would be hardness="4".

You're welcome, next question?

xboxown · 28 March 2019, 04:57

hehehe

- hugs grelbfalrk - I missed you! - sigh - WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO JOIN US BACK IN THE APOLLO-TEAM CHANNEL!!??

Locutus · 28 March 2019, 08:49

Even if you could port this, it takes 15% CPU time idling at the BIOS screen on a reasonably modern i5-6300U laptop.

So how do you expect to even use this?

Hewitson · 28 March 2019, 09:42

6% CPU time on my i5 desktop. Still obviously unfeasible.

jotd · 28 March 2019, 21:21

Add SDL horrendous c2p/video refresh and get ready for 1 frame per second at best on a real amiga.

NovaCoder · 03 April 2019, 00:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

Add SDL horrendous c2p/video refresh and get ready for 1 frame per second at best on a real amiga.

Cool, it will run about the same speed as my DOSBox port then

grelbfarlk · 05 April 2019, 03:57

I took a brief stab at it, and it seems to require python to configure. Not insurmountable but I need to play with Python a bit first.

Galahad/FLT · 05 April 2019, 11:06

I always thought that AmiMSX emulator for Amiga was pretty damned good back in the day.

Photon · 05 April 2019, 15:18

For 060, imagine a Pentium I driving an 800x600 resolution (assuming you want to run it in Workbench as you do on PC). The solution for PC in the year of the Pentium I was normally to run the games in 320x200. If you can switch to this kind of resolution and it's acceptable to you, the engine of the emu might run well. I don't know what the source looks like, if they've added features and compatibility fixes over the years the rest of it might make it grind to a halt. Probably emulation of the cartridge chips is very heavy, so that you can only run early MSX1 carts and tapes decently.

xboxown · 08 April 2019, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

I always thought that AmiMSX emulator for Amiga was pretty damned good back in the day.

It is good but not good enough. There are lots of games for MSX that are not compatible and will not work on AmiMSX. It needs to upgrade in emulation compatibility to be honest.

Galahad/FLT · 08 April 2019, 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by xboxown

It is good but not good enough. There are lots of games for MSX that are not compatible and will not work on AmiMSX. It needs to upgrade in emulation compatibility to be honest.

Didn't the original author release all his source for his emulators?

What sort of problems specifically?

turrican3 · 08 April 2019, 20:59

Which games doesn't work ?? I made it launches metal gear 2, it's already no too bad.

adonay · 08 April 2019, 21:37

*MSX* woops get it

This made me feel nostalgic .

I remember trying to run the bleem emulator back in 2000. I had an athlon k6 550?mhz cpu and a riva tnt card. Well that emulator was probably not the most optimized but games would not run well and way bellow 30fps.

Cant see how this would run on 68k
*never mind*

xboxown · 09 April 2019, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

Which games doesn't work ?? I made it launches metal gear 2, it's already no too bad.

Valis - The Fantasm Soldier II

Is an example of one game that will not work.

James · 09 April 2019, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by xboxown

Valis - The Fantasm Soldier II

Is an example of one game that will not work.

I know you said said you hate fMSX, but this game works with it...

xboxown · 09 April 2019, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by James

I know you said said you hate fMSX, but this game works with it...

But I hate fMSX

OK...so I suppose if I combine AmiMSX and fMSX as together this could do it...

are there plan for future support and updates, bug fixes and better emulation perfection on fMSX or is it as dead as AmiMSX?

09 April 2019, 20:12

Issue with AMIMSX is for example in the sound system. You select either SCC XOR PSG. If you take the PSG, you will not hear the SCC chip in modern Konami's. If you take PSG, Konami's with the SCC chip will not make music. For a lot of Konami games you will only get 50% of the sound experience. There is also a timing issue where AMIMSX is simply to fast for a real MSX game. Music plays too fast.

FMsx is not dead yet, latest release (5.4) was in 2018 and the system supports a lot of hardware, MSX2+ etc. The latest version for amiga was left at 2.3, so thats dead. (See aminet). You can download the code for fmsx 5.4 its all C, so your milage may very: I don't know why the maintainer of amiga fmsx stopped.

OpenMSX supports lots of exotic hardware IDE controllers, V9990 video chips, FM-PAC, Music Modules etc. Some of it can easily be simulated on an amiga (IDE controller that uses a harddisk file as HD), others like the V9958 (used in MSX2+) create more colors than an amiga can show (19000+), the FM-PAC or Music Module have 5 of 7 audio channels with embedded patterns for instruments. This comes at a price: even a I7 with OpenMSX in stationary mode consumes 30%

So in general: Amiga is not capable of emulating the modern features of MSX, FMSX on Aminet emulates MSX as it was and needs no updates to play games.

xboxown · 09 April 2019, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syntrax

Issue with AMIMSX is for example in the sound system. You select either SCC XOR PSG. If you take the PSG, you will not hear the SCC chip in modern Konami's. If you take PSG, Konami's with the SCC chip will not make music. For a lot of Konami games you will only get 50% of the sound experience. There is also a timing issue where AMIMSX is simply to fast for a real MSX game. Music plays too fast.

FMsx is not dead yet, latest release (5.4) was in 2018 and the system supports a lot of hardware, MSX2+ etc. The latest version for amiga was left at 2.3, so thats dead. (See aminet). You can download the code for fmsx 5.4 its all C, so your milage may very: I don't know why the maintainer of amiga fmsx stopped.

OpenMSX supports lots of exotic hardware IDE controllers, V9990 video chips, FM-PAC, Music Modules etc. Some of it can easily be simulated on an amiga (IDE controller that uses a harddisk file as HD), others like the V9958 (used in MSX2+) create more colors than an amiga can show (19000+), the FM-PAC or Music Module have 5 of 7 audio channels with embedded patterns for instruments. This comes at a price: even a I7 with OpenMSX in stationary mode consumes 30%

So in general: Amiga is not capable of emulating the modern features of MSX, FMSX on Aminet emulates MSX as it was and needs no updates to play games.

How hard is it to port the fMSX 5.4 C into Amiga? We have V2 and with V4 coming in the future we are more capable of running modern features of MSX on Amiga and enhance timing and compatibilities as well. You said FMSX currently emulates MSX as it was and does not need updates. May I say there is false on that. So many games are not emulated correctly, including graphic glitches, sprites not showing, etc. It need lot more update to make 3.4 or 3.5 for Amiga to become a useable source.

26 March 2019, 17:55	#1
xboxown Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Vancouver/Canada Posts: 678	How hard is it to port OpenMSX? I do not know if this is post it before. How hard is it to port OpenMSX to Amiga RTG system? https://github.com/openMSX/openMSX Thanks in advance.

08 April 2019, 21:37	#15
adonay active amiga 1200 user Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Either Haugesund /Norway or Vaxjø Sweden Posts: 220	MSX woops get it This made me feel nostalgic . I remember trying to run the bleem emulator back in 2000. I had an athlon k6 550?mhz cpu and a riva tnt card. Well that emulator was probably not the most optimized but games would not run well and way bellow 30fps. Cant see how this would run on 68k never mind Last edited by adonay; 08 April 2019 at 21:39. Reason: I am tired never mind

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26 March 2019, 20:06	#2
nogginthenog Amigan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,317	Quick scan of the source: It's C++ which may be a problem for our lowly Amigas (not always). We have a modern C++ compiler with Beebo's GCC port but it looks to use the CLang compiler. We have SDL for graphics. I wouldn't attempt it. Use a PC.

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xboxown Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Vancouver/Canada Posts: 678	hehehe - hugs grelbfalrk - I missed you! - sigh - WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO JOIN US BACK IN THE APOLLO-TEAM CHANNEL!!??

28 March 2019, 08:49	#5
Locutus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Finland Posts: 1,187	Even if you could port this, it takes 15% CPU time idling at the BIOS screen on a reasonably modern i5-6300U laptop. So how do you expect to even use this?

28 March 2019, 09:42	#6
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,773	6% CPU time on my i5 desktop. Still obviously unfeasible.

28 March 2019, 21:21	#7
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,386	Add SDL horrendous c2p/video refresh and get ready for 1 frame per second at best on a real amiga.

05 April 2019, 03:57	#9
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,976	I took a brief stab at it, and it seems to require python to configure. Not insurmountable but I need to play with Python a bit first.

05 April 2019, 11:06	#10
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,020	I always thought that AmiMSX emulator for Amiga was pretty damned good back in the day.

05 April 2019, 15:18	#11
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,690	For 060, imagine a Pentium I driving an 800x600 resolution (assuming you want to run it in Workbench as you do on PC). The solution for PC in the year of the Pentium I was normally to run the games in 320x200. If you can switch to this kind of resolution and it's acceptable to you, the engine of the emu might run well. I don't know what the source looks like, if they've added features and compatibility fixes over the years the rest of it might make it grind to a halt. Probably emulation of the cartridge chips is very heavy, so that you can only run early MSX1 carts and tapes decently.

08 April 2019, 20:59	#14
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,914	Which games doesn't work ?? I made it launches metal gear 2, it's already no too bad.

09 April 2019, 20:12	#19
Syntrax Posts: n/a	Issue with AMIMSX is for example in the sound system. You select either SCC XOR PSG. If you take the PSG, you will not hear the SCC chip in modern Konami's. If you take PSG, Konami's with the SCC chip will not make music. For a lot of Konami games you will only get 50% of the sound experience. There is also a timing issue where AMIMSX is simply to fast for a real MSX game. Music plays too fast. FMsx is not dead yet, latest release (5.4) was in 2018 and the system supports a lot of hardware, MSX2+ etc. The latest version for amiga was left at 2.3, so thats dead. (See aminet). You can download the code for fmsx 5.4 its all C, so your milage may very: I don't know why the maintainer of amiga fmsx stopped. OpenMSX supports lots of exotic hardware IDE controllers, V9990 video chips, FM-PAC, Music Modules etc. Some of it can easily be simulated on an amiga (IDE controller that uses a harddisk file as HD), others like the V9958 (used in MSX2+) create more colors than an amiga can show (19000+), the FM-PAC or Music Module have 5 of 7 audio channels with embedded patterns for instruments. This comes at a price: even a I7 with OpenMSX in stationary mode consumes 30% So in general: Amiga is not capable of emulating the modern features of MSX, FMSX on Aminet emulates MSX as it was and needs no updates to play games.

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