Bridgeboard A2088 Challenges - Cant save color settings and XTIDE issue

snowpile79 · 22 January 2019, 01:55

I have an A2088 bridgeboard. I have it all setup and running. I am using the Janus 2.1 amiga disks off the amiga hardware database.
A2000 full ECS machine. 2meg agnus. Workbench 3.1, PPS 040 with 32megs ram, IDE controller on the amiga (PIO mode) with 8gig IDE to SD adapter. 16 color desktop at 640x400 (in case it matters dont think it does).
Bridgeboard PC BIOS 3.5
Janus handler version 36.85
Janus Library version 36.83.
PCwindows ver 2.411 (the app you run to view the color or monochrome PC side)
Are there newer versions then above ^^ ??
For a hard disk I have linked up a 32MB virtual HD to my amiga disk.

Issue 1: The A2088 fires up fine and boots to C drive DOS 5.0 installed. When I open the PCWindow Color program to view the PC side All the dos colors are not correct. I have 16 color mode enabled but the colors are incorrect on 10 of the 16 colors (black, white, gray, blue and 2 others are fine). I correct the colors using the color tool and save the settings. Everything works fine and stays saved until the screenmode changes or I reboot the PC side. If I resize the PC window or save any other setting it saves except the colors. The colors will not stay. I did a minimal boot even just booting basic WB bypassing startup files. Are there newer versions of Janus or the PC windows tools? All I can think of is theres a bug in the PC windows tool or maybe the Janus versions. The only tooltype under the PC Color icon (which runs PCWindow) is DONOTWAIT. Maybe I need special tooltypes? This is a default install though I didnt fuss with anything so you'd think it would work out of the box?

Issue 2: I have an XT-IDE-CF Lite v4 card with an 8k xt-ide bios. I have tried many upper memory slots but the A2088 does not load the bios it doesnt even try. If I use Checkit for DOS to show the upper memory bios area the xtide bios does not show up at all. It does TRY to load the bios if I stick it at memory address:E000h but that overlaps with what is reported to be upper memory space. When I stick it there it says theres a checksum error. The card works fine in every other PC (XT, 286 and a 486 no checksum error).

I will insert an image of the A2088 memory map from Checkit. In this screenshot/example the XT-IDE-CFlite v4 is mapped to C000h but look its not showing up at all (again works fine in any other of the 3 PC's Ive tested from XT to 486).

Thanks

Checkit memory map picture: https://imgur.com/a/lDeJXlJ

snowpile79 · 22 January 2019, 05:36

I found some info on my xtide issue. I will try to follow the guidelines below. I think I screwed up on both the memory location and IO address

I'll have to re-program the bios to look for the xtide-cf-lite in a different IO address then flip the jumpers. I'll have to move the XTIDE bios to C000h or another block of upper memory also. I'll try soon and report back.

Hopefully someone has ideas on the colors not saving. With that issue the bridgeboard cannot be used for asii and cga games since they all use color and resetting the color pallette every time the video mode changes is not a feasible option.

Here are the IO and memory ranges to avoid for expansions (from online doc I found)

Expansion Issues:
Here are memory locations, I/O ports and interrupts to avoid when adding PC peripherals.
Memory Locations to avoid:
A0000 to AFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to A0000 in PCPrefs.
B0000 to B1FFF: If Monochrome display adapter emulation is enabled in PCPrefs.
B8000 to BFFFF: If Color display adapter emulation is enabled in PCPrefs.
D0000 to DFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to D0000 in PCPrefs.
E0000 to EFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to E0000 in PCPrefs

I/O Ports to avoid:
000-00F
0C0-0DE
060
061
062
064
070
087-08F
092
0E8-0EF
0F0
0F1
0F4
0F5
0F8-0FE
2Fx
37x
3Bx If MDA emulation is enabled.
3Dx If CGA emulation is enabled.
3F0-3F7 If on-board floppy access is enabled.

Interrupts to avoid:
IRQ0
IRQ1
IRQ2
IRQ3
IRQ6 If on-board floppy access is enabled.
IRQ7
IRQ8
IRQ13

snowpile79 · 23 January 2019, 01:15

To try and solve the colors not saving I booted into wb 1.3 and bridgeboard/janus version 2.0. Same effect booting off floppy with the older janus. This makes me think its got to be kickstart 3.1 possibly... or the ECS denise? But we are talking color selections saving.

TheOrangeDude · 27 April 2021, 07:45

Same problems here (colors and XTIDE). It might be the version of Bridgeboard software. My anecdotal evidence:

For nostalgia, I installed a fresh copy of AmigaDos 1.3, then installed the original BB software. When I opened the PC window there was XTIDE's bios sign on big as life and booted to the CF card.

Boot back to new OS and newer BB toolset and no XTIDE sign on. If I replace the PC/system/PC.Boot file with the the old one and restart everything the XTIDE is back. But other stuff doens't work. I has not able to jlink to my data drive hosted on the Amiga while using the XTIDE.

If I pin down the details that let things mostly work and add that info here. Hope this is helpful.

LIV2 · 27 April 2021, 11:08

The problem with the XTIDE is apparently some conflict between the XTIDE bios and the bridgeboard software or BIOS I'm not sure

There is a fix for this you basically
1: Disable the XTIDE's ROM
2: Replace sys

c/system/pc.boot with the one in this post for the XT-CF-Lite v4
There are other versions for the other XTIDE types in that thread I think

Televicious · 05 June 2021, 05:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIV2

The problem with the XTIDE is apparently some conflict between the XTIDE bios and the bridgeboard software or BIOS I'm not sure

There is a fix for this you basically
1: Disable the XTIDE's ROM
2: Replace sys

c/system/pc.boot with the one in this post for the XT-CF-Lite v4
There are other versions for the other XTIDE types in that thread I think

Not seeing any files on that german forum link. Also, can you access the full ide drive without the rom being enabled? I'm trying a 256Mb CF in xtide v4 with an A2286.

Televicious · 09 June 2021, 04:44

Nm, I got it working on A2286. First, don't disable the xtide rom. Disable the two 8k chip dips though. Also, use that pc.boot from that forum. Configure i/o on controller to 360h. Lastly, don't set jumpers to hi-speed, set them to compatibility. Working 100% now. Using a 256Mb CF and couldn't be faster. Oh and almost forgot, updated bios on a2286 to 4.2

terryfi · 22 July 2023, 00:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowpile79

I have an A2088 bridgeboard. I have it all setup and running. I am using the Janus 2.1 amiga disks off the amiga hardware database.
A2000 full ECS machine. 2meg agnus. Workbench 3.1, PPS 040 with 32megs ram, IDE controller on the amiga (PIO mode) with 8gig IDE to SD adapter. 16 color desktop at 640x400 (in case it matters dont think it does).
Bridgeboard PC BIOS 3.5
Janus handler version 36.85
Janus Library version 36.83.
PCwindows ver 2.411 (the app you run to view the color or monochrome PC side)
Are there newer versions then above ^^ ??
For a hard disk I have linked up a 32MB virtual HD to my amiga disk.

Issue 1: The A2088 fires up fine and boots to C drive DOS 5.0 installed. When I open the PCWindow Color program to view the PC side All the dos colors are not correct. I have 16 color mode enabled but the colors are incorrect on 10 of the 16 colors (black, white, gray, blue and 2 others are fine). I correct the colors using the color tool and save the settings. Everything works fine and stays saved until the screenmode changes or I reboot the PC side. If I resize the PC window or save any other setting it saves except the colors. The colors will not stay. I did a minimal boot even just booting basic WB bypassing startup files. Are there newer versions of Janus or the PC windows tools? All I can think of is theres a bug in the PC windows tool or maybe the Janus versions. The only tooltype under the PC Color icon (which runs PCWindow) is DONOTWAIT. Maybe I need special tooltypes? This is a default install though I didnt fuss with anything so you'd think it would work out of the box?

Issue 2: I have an XT-IDE-CF Lite v4 card with an 8k xt-ide bios. I have tried many upper memory slots but the A2088 does not load the bios it doesnt even try. If I use Checkit for DOS to show the upper memory bios area the xtide bios does not show up at all. It does TRY to load the bios if I stick it at memory address:E000h but that overlaps with what is reported to be upper memory space. When I stick it there it says theres a checksum error. The card works fine in every other PC (XT, 286 and a 486 no checksum error).

I will insert an image of the A2088 memory map from Checkit. In this screenshot/example the XT-IDE-CFlite v4 is mapped to C000h but look its not showing up at all (again works fine in any other of the 3 PC's Ive tested from XT to 486).

Thanks

Checkit memory map picture: https://imgur.com/a/lDeJXlJ

Hi guys, did anyone find a solution for save color issue? I am on the same boat.

22 January 2019, 01:55	#1
snowpile79 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Hancock Posts: 48	Bridgeboard A2088 Challenges - Cant save color settings and XTIDE issue I have an A2088 bridgeboard. I have it all setup and running. I am using the Janus 2.1 amiga disks off the amiga hardware database. A2000 full ECS machine. 2meg agnus. Workbench 3.1, PPS 040 with 32megs ram, IDE controller on the amiga (PIO mode) with 8gig IDE to SD adapter. 16 color desktop at 640x400 (in case it matters dont think it does). Bridgeboard PC BIOS 3.5 Janus handler version 36.85 Janus Library version 36.83. PCwindows ver 2.411 (the app you run to view the color or monochrome PC side) Are there newer versions then above ^^ ?? For a hard disk I have linked up a 32MB virtual HD to my amiga disk. Issue 1: The A2088 fires up fine and boots to C drive DOS 5.0 installed. When I open the PCWindow Color program to view the PC side All the dos colors are not correct. I have 16 color mode enabled but the colors are incorrect on 10 of the 16 colors (black, white, gray, blue and 2 others are fine). I correct the colors using the color tool and save the settings. Everything works fine and stays saved until the screenmode changes or I reboot the PC side. If I resize the PC window or save any other setting it saves except the colors. The colors will not stay. I did a minimal boot even just booting basic WB bypassing startup files. Are there newer versions of Janus or the PC windows tools? All I can think of is theres a bug in the PC windows tool or maybe the Janus versions. The only tooltype under the PC Color icon (which runs PCWindow) is DONOTWAIT. Maybe I need special tooltypes? This is a default install though I didnt fuss with anything so you'd think it would work out of the box? Issue 2: I have an XT-IDE-CF Lite v4 card with an 8k xt-ide bios. I have tried many upper memory slots but the A2088 does not load the bios it doesnt even try. If I use Checkit for DOS to show the upper memory bios area the xtide bios does not show up at all. It does TRY to load the bios if I stick it at memory address:E000h but that overlaps with what is reported to be upper memory space. When I stick it there it says theres a checksum error. The card works fine in every other PC (XT, 286 and a 486 no checksum error). I will insert an image of the A2088 memory map from Checkit. In this screenshot/example the XT-IDE-CFlite v4 is mapped to C000h but look its not showing up at all (again works fine in any other of the 3 PC's Ive tested from XT to 486). Thanks Checkit memory map picture: https://imgur.com/a/lDeJXlJ Last edited by snowpile79; 22 January 2019 at 02:06. Reason: Added Image Link

22 January 2019, 05:36	#2
snowpile79 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Hancock Posts: 48	I found some info on my xtide issue. I will try to follow the guidelines below. I think I screwed up on both the memory location and IO address I'll have to re-program the bios to look for the xtide-cf-lite in a different IO address then flip the jumpers. I'll have to move the XTIDE bios to C000h or another block of upper memory also. I'll try soon and report back. Hopefully someone has ideas on the colors not saving. With that issue the bridgeboard cannot be used for asii and cga games since they all use color and resetting the color pallette every time the video mode changes is not a feasible option. Here are the IO and memory ranges to avoid for expansions (from online doc I found) Expansion Issues: Here are memory locations, I/O ports and interrupts to avoid when adding PC peripherals. Memory Locations to avoid: A0000 to AFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to A0000 in PCPrefs. B0000 to B1FFF: If Monochrome display adapter emulation is enabled in PCPrefs. B8000 to BFFFF: If Color display adapter emulation is enabled in PCPrefs. D0000 to DFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to D0000 in PCPrefs. E0000 to EFFFF: If Janus handler load segment is set to E0000 in PCPrefs I/O Ports to avoid: 000-00F 0C0-0DE 060 061 062 064 070 087-08F 092 0E8-0EF 0F0 0F1 0F4 0F5 0F8-0FE 2Fx 37x 3Bx If MDA emulation is enabled. 3Dx If CGA emulation is enabled. 3F0-3F7 If on-board floppy access is enabled. Interrupts to avoid: IRQ0 IRQ1 IRQ2 IRQ3 IRQ6 If on-board floppy access is enabled. IRQ7 IRQ8 IRQ13 Last edited by snowpile79; 22 January 2019 at 05:43.

27 April 2021, 11:08	#5
LIV2 Tinkerer Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Sweden Posts: 103	The problem with the XTIDE is apparently some conflict between the XTIDE bios and the bridgeboard software or BIOS I'm not sure There is a fix for this you basically 1: Disable the XTIDE's ROM 2: Replace sysc/system/pc.boot with the one in this post for the XT-CF-Lite v4 There are other versions for the other XTIDE types in that thread I think

09 June 2021, 04:44	#7
Televicious Registered User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: USA Posts: 2	Nm, I got it working on A2286. First, don't disable the xtide rom. Disable the two 8k chip dips though. Also, use that pc.boot from that forum. Configure i/o on controller to 360h. Lastly, don't set jumpers to hi-speed, set them to compatibility. Working 100% now. Using a 256Mb CF and couldn't be faster. Oh and almost forgot, updated bios on a2286 to 4.2 Last edited by Televicious; 09 June 2021 at 04:49.

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23 January 2019, 01:15	#3
snowpile79 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Hancock Posts: 48	To try and solve the colors not saving I booted into wb 1.3 and bridgeboard/janus version 2.0. Same effect booting off floppy with the older janus. This makes me think its got to be kickstart 3.1 possibly... or the ECS denise? But we are talking color selections saving.

27 April 2021, 07:45	#4
TheOrangeDude Registered User Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Tucson Posts: 1	Same problems here (colors and XTIDE). It might be the version of Bridgeboard software. My anecdotal evidence: For nostalgia, I installed a fresh copy of AmigaDos 1.3, then installed the original BB software. When I opened the PC window there was XTIDE's bios sign on big as life and booted to the CF card. Boot back to new OS and newer BB toolset and no XTIDE sign on. If I replace the PC/system/PC.Boot file with the the old one and restart everything the XTIDE is back. But other stuff doens't work. I has not able to jlink to my data drive hosted on the Amiga while using the XTIDE. If I pin down the details that let things mostly work and add that info here. Hope this is helpful.

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