AA3000+ Amiga 3000 AGA motherboard - Page 2

ExiE · 10 June 2019, 22:48

I want that Firebird daughterdboard for A4000D

thebajaguy · 10 June 2019, 23:04

My only query/heads up is to be careful of mapping Kickstart into the 1MB $A00000-AFFFFF space, as some 'extended' Kickstart solutions may choose to do. That range is still AutoConfig I/O space based upon the Hardware Reference Manual (3rd Edition). Best to stick to F8/E0 (standard 512 / Extended 512), then put the rest (arguably) above 16MB where I've read the other 2MB of a 4MB Kickstart tends to go anyway.

Still, nice work.

I didn't see anyone beg for a clock port header somewhere, but then again, space for it might be tight.

grelbfarlk · 11 June 2019, 00:21

I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said already so great work! Though someone did say that too. Also I think that 3A or 5A are not really enough for 3.3V supply with some PCI cards especially if certain 3.3V only PCI boards are combined. ATX connector fixes that but that doesn't help since the A3000 PSU footprint doesn't really work for an SFX or ATX PSU, unless you recase them.

*EDIT* OK I thought of one. Put a 4-pin AUX-Out from Paula (CD-Audio style) on the motherboard and an AUX-IN (CD-Audio style) like the A4000.

obitus1990 · 11 June 2019, 04:24

WOW, just WOW.

zero · 11 June 2019, 10:26

Incredible work!

Can you use donor chips from an A1200? Or does it have to be an A4K?

Would definitely like to buy one.

quantum8 · 11 June 2019, 11:38

Interesting! Will it fit into a 3000/4000 case or would it be for a tower install only?

Jope · 11 June 2019, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero

Incredible work!

Can you use donor chips from an A1200? Or does it have to be an A4K?

Would definitely like to buy one.

The AGA chipset + CIAs can come from an A1200. The Super DMAC is A3000 specific, the Ramsey/Buster are A3000/4000. In this application the Ramsey should come from an A3000, as you will have a very difficult time finding a Super DMAC-04 to go with the generally available Ramsey-07.

SimonV · 11 June 2019, 12:32

Wouldn't the DSP as used on the Delfina Flipper or maybe the like on Amiga kit's Prism be a better choice ? Someone has drivers for those chips that maybe can be adapted by themself if you ask them before you decide to use them.

Lord Aga · 11 June 2019, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrz

connectors for fans in 2019?? for what? for a 30 w computer ?
or for a 030 cpu which don't even need a heatsink

It's better to have an option than not to have it, isn't it?

zero · 11 June 2019, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonV

Wouldn't the DSP as used on the Delfina Flipper or maybe the like on Amiga kit's Prism be a better choice ? Someone has drivers for those chips that maybe can be adapted by themself if you ask them before you decide to use them.

The DSP3210 was used in a prototype A3000 with AGA chipset at Commodore. It was also used in some Macs so there is a bit of software support for it.

tnt23 · 11 June 2019, 15:58

This is absolutely cool. Cooler than the coolest thing ever, and then some

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

The AGA chipset + CIAs can come from an A1200. The Super DMAC is A3000 specific, the Ramsey/Buster are A3000/4000. In this application the Ramsey should come from an A3000, as you will have a very difficult time finding a Super DMAC-04 to go with the generally available Ramsey-07.

I wonder if A3660 will be running fine with SCSI on this board, as I failed to get the two to work flawlessly on my A3000/25.

Jope · 11 June 2019, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnt23

I wonder if A3660 will be running fine with SCSI on this board, as I failed to get the two to work flawlessly on my A3000/25.

Difficult to say.. Did you try sourcing various dmac/ramsey combos? Apparently some sdmac02/ramsey04 combinations might work where others do not. I have never tried this myself, however.

DofD · 11 June 2019, 18:57

Totally incredible work!

Will PCI busmastering between the PCI slots be supported? The thought is for the support for PPC cards the Ragnorok or Killer M1/K1 cards.

1NOM155 · 11 June 2019, 21:20

nice work Hese congrats

AJCopland · 11 June 2019, 22:00

That's amazing Hese

Ordyne · 12 June 2019, 12:43

Excellent work Hese! Will be interesting to see the DSP used.

tnt23 · 12 June 2019, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Difficult to say.. Did you try sourcing various dmac/ramsey combos? Apparently some sdmac02/ramsey04 combinations might work where others do not. I have never tried this myself, however.

No, I did not. Got some feedback from SpeedGeek that made me ditch the whole idea and just use Deneb.

Effy · 13 June 2019, 10:36

Highest respect for what you accomplished

Jope · 13 June 2019, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnt23

No, I did not. Got some feedback from SpeedGeek that made me ditch the whole idea and just use Deneb.

Out of interest, what did he say? I don't want to go on a wild goose chase myself either if I end up in this situation at some point. :-)

tnt23 · 13 June 2019, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Out of interest, what did he say? I don't want to go on a wild goose chase myself either if I end up in this situation at some point. :-)

It was something about DMAC+Ramsey replacement being overrated, as it never helped to avoid some Ramsey bug with regards to CLK90 (I may be vaguely incorrect here, need to find exact quotes from him). The overall impression I've got was that I certainly might invest into latest and bestest DMAC and Ramseys possible, but still would end up with buggy SCSI DMA.

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10 June 2019, 22:48	#21
ExiE Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: T/C Posts: 199	I want that Firebird daughterdboard for A4000D

10 June 2019, 23:04	#22
thebajaguy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Rhode Island / United States Posts: 201	My only query/heads up is to be careful of mapping Kickstart into the 1MB $A00000-AFFFFF space, as some 'extended' Kickstart solutions may choose to do. That range is still AutoConfig I/O space based upon the Hardware Reference Manual (3rd Edition). Best to stick to F8/E0 (standard 512 / Extended 512), then put the rest (arguably) above 16MB where I've read the other 2MB of a 4MB Kickstart tends to go anyway. Still, nice work. I didn't see anyone beg for a clock port header somewhere, but then again, space for it might be tight.

11 June 2019, 00:21	#23
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,903	I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said already so great work! Though someone did say that too. Also I think that 3A or 5A are not really enough for 3.3V supply with some PCI cards especially if certain 3.3V only PCI boards are combined. ATX connector fixes that but that doesn't help since the A3000 PSU footprint doesn't really work for an SFX or ATX PSU, unless you recase them. EDIT OK I thought of one. Put a 4-pin AUX-Out from Paula (CD-Audio style) on the motherboard and an AUX-IN (CD-Audio style) like the A4000.

11 June 2019, 04:24	#24
obitus1990 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Location: Mandeville USA Posts: 203	WOW, just WOW.

11 June 2019, 10:26	#25
zero Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: UK Posts: 428	Incredible work! Can you use donor chips from an A1200? Or does it have to be an A4K? Would definitely like to buy one.

11 June 2019, 11:38	#26
quantum8 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: BNE AU Posts: 216	Interesting! Will it fit into a 3000/4000 case or would it be for a tower install only?

11 June 2019, 12:32	#28
SimonV Registered User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Antwerp Posts: 262	Wouldn't the DSP as used on the Delfina Flipper or maybe the like on Amiga kit's Prism be a better choice ? Someone has drivers for those chips that maybe can be adapted by themself if you ask them before you decide to use them.

11 June 2019, 18:57	#33
DofD Registered User Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Victoria, Canada Age: 56 Posts: 134	Totally incredible work! Will PCI busmastering between the PCI slots be supported? The thought is for the support for PPC cards the Ragnorok or Killer M1/K1 cards.

11 June 2019, 21:20	#34
1NOM155 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Lisbon Posts: 65	nice work Hese congrats

11 June 2019, 22:00	#35
AJCopland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Beeston, Nottinghamshire, UK Posts: 238	That's amazing Hese

12 June 2019, 12:43	#36
Ordyne Registered User Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Newark Posts: 5	Excellent work Hese! Will be interesting to see the DSP used.

13 June 2019, 10:36	#38
Effy http://www.amigaclub.be/ Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Belgium Age: 56 Posts: 677	Highest respect for what you accomplished

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