DoomAttack and how to set it up? - Page 4

nathanm1991 · 12 May 2018, 02:35

gfx/pop.imp? Playing shareware version then freezes on awinquake :-(

nathanm1991 · 12 May 2018, 02:36

yes to both

AMIGASYSTEM · 12 May 2018, 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by nathanm1991

gfx/pop.imp? Playing shareware version then freezes on awinquake :-(

Get another version.

Now I'm going to sleep, in Italy it's late night, i'm a 63-year-old man

nathanm1991 · 12 May 2018, 03:01

Ok my friend thank you for your help

Jacques · 09 November 2021, 12:58

Hi Guys,

which C2P routine do you think suits 030/50 (Blizzard 1230-IV) better, please:

- DoomAttackSupport/c2p/c2p_020_blitter
- DoomAttackSupport/c2p/c2p_020_optimized
? :-)

There's no 030-dedicated routine in the package http://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/DoomAttack

trixster · 09 November 2021, 14:08

Have a look at this thread which compares blitter to optimized and also against akiko on the tf330 (50mhz 030)

https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/vi...tart=60#p21199

Jacques · 09 November 2021, 14:14

Thanks a lot, @trixster
c2p_020_blitter is the way to go with 030, then.
To be fair, that's the one I used for years, but it's always better to make sure ;-)

Calabazam · 03 January 2023, 22:30

Hello.
Does any one know if it would be possible to get real MIDI music from DoomAttack using a serial to MIDI adapter and an external MIDI device such as Roland SC55?

vulture · 03 January 2023, 23:35

@Calabazam

Grab the camdoomsound patch I just reuploaded to the zone. All thanks to pipper and his awesome work!

You'll also need camd from aminet of course.
http://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camd

Calabazam · 04 January 2023, 22:21

Awesome vulture! Thanks!

Calabazam · 08 January 2023, 16:14

@vulture:

Thanks to you i have indeed DoomAttack music playing from the Roland SC55 now.
Music is nice but kind of easylistening compared to heavy metal riff i can see on Youtube in the first level.
I think there is nothing to setup manually on the SC55, just like with a MT32, but perhaps there is something to do on the Amiga to have the proper instruments?

vulture · 08 January 2023, 16:28

@Calabazam

Glad you got it working m8!

All thanks go to pipper really, he made it possible with his Camdoomsound patch

Now, I seem to recall that SC-55 can be put in mt-32 mode somehow, but I don't remember any details.

TCD · 08 January 2023, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulture

Now, I seem to recall that SC-55 can be put in mt-32 mode somehow, but I don't remember any details.

I found this: "Hold down right instrument button when powering on"

vulture · 08 January 2023, 18:39

I found a manual and says "instrument left" instead, but that's for MkII, maybe MkI is different and need "instrument right" like you said

Here it is:
http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-55MKII_OM.pdf

EDIT:

here's the MkI manual:
https://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-55_OM.pdf

Seems like it's the left instrument button for this model as well (page 32).

Calabazam · 08 January 2023, 18:46

Yeah I have the mk1. I didn’t meant it sounds like mt32 though, just that MT32 does not need any config to work with games. However perhaps I am indeed in mt32 mode. Going to check this and also try from real msdos doom with my bridgeboard to see if there is any difference.

pipper · 08 January 2023, 19:14

Doom is made with General Midi in mind. Switching the SC-55 into MT32 mode will likely sound very off.
You could try a software synth on a PC and change sound fonts on there…

vulture · 08 January 2023, 19:15

No, what I meant is that maybe you need to go into mt-32 mode for it to sound right.

edit:

just saw pipper's reply, so, probably what he said

Calabazam · 08 January 2023, 21:31

Ok i have reset the SC55 to GS to be sure, according to manual.

Here is how DoomAttack (Amiga) sounds in the first level:

https://uploadnow.io/s/da3f9317-f924...3-6e6ff617bd02

Here is how Doom (PC) sounds from the audio card of my bridgeboard side connected to the SC55:

https://uploadnow.io/s/518ecb80-0756...4-18fc329a212e

Sorry for poor recording with my IPhone.

Both are nice to hear but seems very different than reference for SC55 here :

[ Show youtube player ]

Looks like mine is partly played on piano.

Perhaps there is a problem with my SC55 unit. Fortunately, i think i have another one somewhere to check again.

EDIT : ok case solved, after a full reset factory, not just GS, it sounds like Youtube record. Actually, my initial setup was not bad to hear and way less stressful, i should have saved the setup somehow :-)

vulture · 08 January 2023, 21:57

Indeed, both the bridgeboard and the Amiga sound different to the reference. As you said. like the guitar has been replaced by piano. That seems to be a different mapping. Can't you try to replace it manually and save it? No idea if it's possible, just a thought.

pipper · 09 January 2023, 03:52

It could also be an issue with how CAMDoomSound works. Make sure to start it before you start DoomAttack and leave it running while you play Doom.

08 January 2023, 21:31	#78
Calabazam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Posts: 466	Ok i have reset the SC55 to GS to be sure, according to manual. Here is how DoomAttack (Amiga) sounds in the first level: https://uploadnow.io/s/da3f9317-f924...3-6e6ff617bd02 Here is how Doom (PC) sounds from the audio card of my bridgeboard side connected to the SC55: https://uploadnow.io/s/518ecb80-0756...4-18fc329a212e Sorry for poor recording with my IPhone. Both are nice to hear but seems very different than reference for SC55 here : [ Show youtube player ] Looks like mine is partly played on piano. Perhaps there is a problem with my SC55 unit. Fortunately, i think i have another one somewhere to check again. EDIT : ok case solved, after a full reset factory, not just GS, it sounds like Youtube record. Actually, my initial setup was not bad to hear and way less stressful, i should have saved the setup somehow :-) Last edited by Calabazam; 09 January 2023 at 00:03.

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12 May 2018, 02:35	#61
nathanm1991 Self Diagnosed Noob! Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Malvern, Worcestershire Age: 32 Posts: 704	gfx/pop.imp? Playing shareware version then freezes on awinquake :-(

12 May 2018, 02:36	#62
nathanm1991 Self Diagnosed Noob! Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Malvern, Worcestershire Age: 32 Posts: 704	yes to both

12 May 2018, 03:01	#64
nathanm1991 Self Diagnosed Noob! Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Malvern, Worcestershire Age: 32 Posts: 704	Ok my friend thank you for your help

09 November 2021, 12:58	#65
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	Hi Guys, which C2P routine do you think suits 030/50 (Blizzard 1230-IV) better, please: - DoomAttackSupport/c2p/c2p_020_blitter - DoomAttackSupport/c2p/c2p_020_optimized ? :-) There's no 030-dedicated routine in the package http://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/DoomAttack

09 November 2021, 14:08	#66
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	Have a look at this thread which compares blitter to optimized and also against akiko on the tf330 (50mhz 030) https://www.exxoshost.co.uk/forum/vi...tart=60#p21199

09 November 2021, 14:14	#67
Jacques Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 202	Thanks a lot, @trixster c2p_020_blitter is the way to go with 030, then. To be fair, that's the one I used for years, but it's always better to make sure ;-)

03 January 2023, 22:30	#68
Calabazam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Posts: 466	Hello. Does any one know if it would be possible to get real MIDI music from DoomAttack using a serial to MIDI adapter and an external MIDI device such as Roland SC55?

03 January 2023, 23:35	#69
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	@Calabazam Grab the camdoomsound patch I just reuploaded to the zone. All thanks to pipper and his awesome work! You'll also need camd from aminet of course. http://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camd

04 January 2023, 22:21	#70
Calabazam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Posts: 466	Awesome vulture! Thanks!

08 January 2023, 16:14	#71
Calabazam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Posts: 466	@vulture: Thanks to you i have indeed DoomAttack music playing from the Roland SC55 now. Music is nice but kind of easylistening compared to heavy metal riff i can see on Youtube in the first level. I think there is nothing to setup manually on the SC55, just like with a MT32, but perhaps there is something to do on the Amiga to have the proper instruments?

08 January 2023, 16:28	#72
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	@Calabazam Glad you got it working m8! All thanks go to pipper really, he made it possible with his Camdoomsound patch Now, I seem to recall that SC-55 can be put in mt-32 mode somehow, but I don't remember any details.

08 January 2023, 18:39	#74
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	I found a manual and says "instrument left" instead, but that's for MkII, maybe MkI is different and need "instrument right" like you said Here it is: http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-55MKII_OM.pdf EDIT: here's the MkI manual: https://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/SC-55_OM.pdf Seems like it's the left instrument button for this model as well (page 32).

08 January 2023, 18:46	#75
Calabazam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Posts: 466	Yeah I have the mk1. I didn’t meant it sounds like mt32 though, just that MT32 does not need any config to work with games. However perhaps I am indeed in mt32 mode. Going to check this and also try from real msdos doom with my bridgeboard to see if there is any difference.

08 January 2023, 19:14	#76
pipper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 652	Doom is made with General Midi in mind. Switching the SC-55 into MT32 mode will likely sound very off. You could try a software synth on a PC and change sound fonts on there…

08 January 2023, 19:15	#77
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	No, what I meant is that maybe you need to go into mt-32 mode for it to sound right. edit: just saw pipper's reply, so, probably what he said

08 January 2023, 21:57	#79
vulture Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Athens , Greece Posts: 1,840	Indeed, both the bridgeboard and the Amiga sound different to the reference. As you said. like the guitar has been replaced by piano. That seems to be a different mapping. Can't you try to replace it manually and save it? No idea if it's possible, just a thought.

09 January 2023, 03:52	#80
pipper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 652	It could also be an issue with how CAMDoomSound works. Make sure to start it before you start DoomAttack and leave it running while you play Doom.

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