Demo Graphics vs Album Covers - Page 2

waal · 21 December 2009, 15:18

This is a very old debate. I remember many controversies on this subject on the demo-scene.
My guess is that graphicians often used scanned artwork as a basic and made the difference with their "pixel art" talent. At the time, you could pay for 24-bit flat-bed scan services in certain shops and I knew personnally some famous sceners who did this. Some were even lucky enough to have access to a Mac with Photoshop in the early nineties, lol ! But I repeat, huge skills were needed for retouching these.

But not all them used this technique.
For instance, I remember meeting Cougar at the Complex party in Hambourg, Germany during summer 93 and he showed me his techniques. It wasn't scan at all. He used color copies of his model and worked with a grid. A very rigorous work. And a very nice guy by the way.

RWO artwork was more controversial...

Mungo · 21 December 2009, 17:06

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Originally Posted by waal

RWO artwork was more controversial...

I think RWO was around a little after my time. Looking at the evidence above, 'controversial' is definitely the right word.... I certainly remember that Seen didn't have much respect left for Kefrens after he left them.

Interesting to hear about Cougar's techniques. His work used to, and still does, impress me deeply.

bLAZER · 22 December 2009, 00:26

My point is that it's a huge different in talent touching up a scan, modify it some or draw a completely new image that you made up. Sure both takes talent but I would only call the latter an artist.

Mungo · 22 December 2009, 01:48

So, what's your point here? You want the equivalent of a Monet or Rembrandt when you boot up a demo?

You copy the work of others in your Flashtros. I don't really think you're in a good position to be criticising Cougar for copying an album cover.

I challenge you to load up Deluxe Paint and do better. To give you a fair chance, you can work from a scan

bLAZER · 22 December 2009, 21:23

Well, I don't claim that I came up with anything in my Flashtros, except the code.

My point is that I think the original artist should get credit, if you take a painting/image and redraw it. And as I said before, there are different levels of skills.

I'm not saying that those pixelpainters are terrible, take it eeeassy.. it's all good

Mungo · 22 December 2009, 22:34

Hey, no worries. I'm chilled. I think we'll just need to 'agree to disagree' on this one.

As a last comment, I can't think that Cougar was ever trying to pass the work off as his own. Anyone who knows hard rock/metal would spot the Motorhead images in about a second. They're pretty iconic. And that kind of music was very popular on the scene back then.

You might, as your picture comparison suggests, have a case against RWO though.

bLAZER · 22 December 2009, 23:25

Ah, I missed the link by Jope: http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/

So this has already been discussed to the death, no need to continue then

deicidal · 19 March 2010, 10:30

RSI and Iron Maiden

RSI and Megadeth

deicidal · 19 March 2010, 10:58

In regards to methods i know of a couple of guys from TSL who used to use a touch tablet for the basis of some of there work.

21 December 2009, 15:18	#21
waal Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Paris / France Age: 49 Posts: 137	This is a very old debate. I remember many controversies on this subject on the demo-scene. My guess is that graphicians often used scanned artwork as a basic and made the difference with their "pixel art" talent. At the time, you could pay for 24-bit flat-bed scan services in certain shops and I knew personnally some famous sceners who did this. Some were even lucky enough to have access to a Mac with Photoshop in the early nineties, lol ! But I repeat, huge skills were needed for retouching these. But not all them used this technique. For instance, I remember meeting Cougar at the Complex party in Hambourg, Germany during summer 93 and he showed me his techniques. It wasn't scan at all. He used color copies of his model and worked with a grid. A very rigorous work. And a very nice guy by the way. RWO artwork was more controversial... Last edited by waal; 21 December 2009 at 15:28.

22 December 2009, 01:48	#24
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	So, what's your point here? You want the equivalent of a Monet or Rembrandt when you boot up a demo? You copy the work of others in your Flashtros. I don't really think you're in a good position to be criticising Cougar for copying an album cover. I challenge you to load up Deluxe Paint and do better. To give you a fair chance, you can work from a scan Last edited by Mungo; 22 December 2009 at 10:08.

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22 December 2009, 00:26	#23
bLAZER Awesome to the max Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gothenburg / Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 1,006	My point is that it's a huge different in talent touching up a scan, modify it some or draw a completely new image that you made up. Sure both takes talent but I would only call the latter an artist.

22 December 2009, 21:23	#25
bLAZER Awesome to the max Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gothenburg / Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 1,006	Well, I don't claim that I came up with anything in my Flashtros, except the code. My point is that I think the original artist should get credit, if you take a painting/image and redraw it. And as I said before, there are different levels of skills. I'm not saying that those pixelpainters are terrible, take it eeeassy.. it's all good

22 December 2009, 22:34	#26
Mungo ATX - For Fun Not Status Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 76	Hey, no worries. I'm chilled. I think we'll just need to 'agree to disagree' on this one. As a last comment, I can't think that Cougar was ever trying to pass the work off as his own. Anyone who knows hard rock/metal would spot the Motorhead images in about a second. They're pretty iconic. And that kind of music was very popular on the scene back then. You might, as your picture comparison suggests, have a case against RWO though.

22 December 2009, 23:25	#27
bLAZER Awesome to the max Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Gothenburg / Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 1,006	Ah, I missed the link by Jope: http://www.kameli.net/nocopy/ So this has already been discussed to the death, no need to continue then

19 March 2010, 10:30	#28
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	RSI and Iron Maiden RSI and Megadeth

19 March 2010, 10:58	#29
deicidal Registered Insane Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ununited Kingdom Posts: 792	In regards to methods i know of a couple of guys from TSL who used to use a touch tablet for the basis of some of there work.

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