My idea...

lelezetec · 10 September 2009, 12:02

Now I think that we're all pretty pissed off about that stalling situation and we need things to move and keep going to see our platform run again.

First thing to say. During the last days I abandoned Windows Systems to start working again with AmigaOS 3.1, the operating system I like to call "home".

Now the idea.

What we need:

A suitable low priced platform like the following:
- Intel Little Falls 2 + 1Gb RAM + 500Gb 2.5" HD + DVDRW + wireless adapter + Mini custom case
- Intel DG41MJ + any core duo cpu + 1 or 2Gb RAM + 500Gb 2.5" HD + DVDRW +wireless adapter + Mini custom case

Operating system port to x86:
I think power PC gotta go to f##k itself off our way. It has been a wrong choice and now we're paying the consequences. So get the rid of the overpriced, low performance board and let's get something more serious. Sorry for Acube by quite frankly, I want the Amiga life, not the Acube one.

Application port to new x86 operating system:
- Firefox
- Flash
- Multimedia Player
- Open Office Suite
- Burining DVD software and codecs

So what will be the strenght of the new Amiga family?

Easy: low price with coast variable between 300 and 800 euros for a complete system.

SO WHY ISN'T ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING TO SHAKE THAT SITUATION?

I wrote to McEwen about that and if he don't answer me I'll take the first plane to go to speak with him personally...

Damn, that situation is pretty frustrating for all of us.

TCD · 10 September 2009, 12:10

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Originally Posted by lelezetec

SO WHY ISN'T ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING TO SHAKE THAT SITUATION?

No money to make? No interest?
Amiga Inc. doesn't care about it for sure. OS 4.1 and the SAM hardware show where the current development heads to. Natami... no comment on that. It'll end up with having an 'emulator' for classic Amiga software anyway, so honestly is there really a point?

Graham Humphrey · 10 September 2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by lelezetec

Now I think that we're all pretty pissed off about that stalling situation...

We are?

lelezetec · 10 September 2009, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

We are?

aren't we?

@Cyber
have you ever asked yourself ho Amiga INC can live with selling nothin?

TCD · 10 September 2009, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelezetec

aren't we?

I'm not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelezetec

@Cyber
have you ever asked yourself ho Amiga INC can live with selling nothin?

Well, they aren't doing really well. I have no idea where they get their money from, but it's surely not from pushing something 'Amiga' forward.

NewDeli · 10 September 2009, 12:51

See if you can find some interesting bits here.

Good luck !

Marcuz · 10 September 2009, 12:56

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

I'm not.

neither i am.
actually, after lunch i'm also sleepy, even.

Dizzy · 10 September 2009, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelezetec

aren't we?

@Cyber
have you ever asked yourself ho Amiga INC can live with selling nothin?

they sell cellphone application. I got a game on my cellphone made by Amiga Inc

TGM · 10 September 2009, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by lelezetec

Operating system port to x86:
I think power PC gotta go to f##k itself off our way. It has been a wrong choice and now we're paying the consequences. So get the rid of the overpriced, low performance board and let's get something more serious.

So you wouldn't want a Cell chip in your new Amiga??http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)

Npl · 10 September 2009, 17:04

Well, there is AROS, get coding if you want to see it happen.

But I dont see the point anyway if you just want to run the thoroughly mediocre software you listed. Apart from having the same guts as a x86 PC, now you`d be using the same software aswell? Whats the point..

IMHO the only chance to push an AmigaOS would be to make it run on PS3 or other popular consoles. Too bad none of them are (fully) open for or interested in an embedded full fledged OS.

NewDeli · 10 September 2009, 20:17

[ Show youtube player ] gives some results actually !

TCD · 10 September 2009, 20:27

I think you missed the point Deleauvive

NewDeli · 10 September 2009, 20:29

May be

Cool video though, don't you think ?

StevenJGore · 10 September 2009, 21:10

I think it's safe to say that a lot of people on EAB are happily accepting that the Amiga is not going to come back, and are appreciating it for the great retro feel and nostalgia that it offers.

If it's an enthusiastic response you want to your idea, then post it on Amiga.org. It's full of people who are in denial about the Amiga, and who will happily spend £800 on hardware which can only be used to run a slightly-better-than-home-made OS for which there is no software or games.

Steve.

TCD · 10 September 2009, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Deleauvive

Cool video though, don't you think ?

Much prefer Horace's version : [ Show youtube player ]
He knows what he does there

gilgamesh · 10 September 2009, 21:34

@lelezetec:
Your propositions are way too expensive. You get a decent PC with lots of software for that price. The way for a new Amiga is either a high end gaming console, or a low end mobile platform/netbook. Nothing beats PC these days, when you want the most bang for the buck.
EDIT: To set this straight: Amiga is not coming back. I meant an Amiga substitute.

All modern consoles run on PowerPC derivatives, btw. Many super computers run with PowerPC. There is nothing wrong about the platform. It is just that Intel has a monopoly in the desktop market.

I think with pervasive computing there is much space between Windows and Unix for a compact, easy and robust OS. (Oh, I like Linux and such, but I don't believe in "one size fits all".)

Cammy · 11 September 2009, 02:02

I wouldn't want Firefox on any Amiga, it runs like shit stuck in tar on this 1.7Ghz Linux PC. But if you want it for AmigaOS, as well as all that other boring Linux software, start porting to AROS. Hyperion have made it clear that they are NOT going to port AmigaOS to x86 (although I don't think they've specifically excluded x64). If you think PPC is dead in the water, then MorphOS and AmigaOS aren't going to offer you what you want any time soon.

AROS and Anubis on the other hand are making steady progress, and encourage developers to contribute directly towards bettering the OS and shaping it the way the USERS want, not some faceless head company. AROS already has a web browser capable of visiting and rendering most websites perfectly, it's called Origyn Web Browser and it's already got Flash support working in some builds, thanks to Gnash.

You can also buy a PC with AROS peinstalled and setup, it's called the iMica. You can order one here, and they're certainly cheaper and more powerful than a Sam - http://www.clusteruk.com/

Zetr0 · 11 September 2009, 02:28

@Cammy

Last I looked at the AROS project there was talk of an Inline-Amiga 68k emulator, do you know any more news on this?

Last I visited the forums they were discussing bounites for it, alas the need for working substitute kickrom took precidence as (rightly so) any emulation would rely on that too.

Vairn · 11 September 2009, 06:17

Zetro, there is a blog from the dude doing the UAE intergration, have a read.

http://o1i.blogspot.com/

He seems to have hit the invisible wall of No free time though.

Christian · 11 September 2009, 17:41

Yeah, what I've love for a modern day Amiga;

Don't want to be limited by hardware - my choice of components
A choice of OSs that can handle all these bits of hardware in any combination
Lightning-fast CPU
Some kind of blitter/copper replacement
Fast 3D acceleration
Virtually unlimited colours
Loads of RAM - 8 gig or so would be nice
Hardware accelerated sound (stoopid high quality of course with no limits on what can be produced)
Choice of cases
Massive harddrive(s) with the ability to run all software (inc games)
The ability to use modern LCD screens of any size + the resolution to match
CRT support for that old-school look (flicker)
DVD/Blueray support
Bluetooth
USB 2
Firewire
Wi-fi
And of course, the ability to run classic Amiga software.

Yep, I'd be in Amiga heaven then ...

(see what I did there? :P )

Actually, Windows is so shite, I'm also gonna go back to 3.1. Got me a wireless network card now and iBrowse. A much nicer experience all round I'm sure you'll agree.

(At least my joystick port polls faster now - 'tis very important that)

10 September 2009, 12:02	#1
lelezetec Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rome / Italy Posts: 26	My idea... Now I think that we're all pretty pissed off about that stalling situation and we need things to move and keep going to see our platform run again. First thing to say. During the last days I abandoned Windows Systems to start working again with AmigaOS 3.1, the operating system I like to call "home". Now the idea. What we need: A suitable low priced platform like the following: - Intel Little Falls 2 + 1Gb RAM + 500Gb 2.5" HD + DVDRW + wireless adapter + Mini custom case - Intel DG41MJ + any core duo cpu + 1 or 2Gb RAM + 500Gb 2.5" HD + DVDRW +wireless adapter + Mini custom case Operating system port to x86: I think power PC gotta go to f##k itself off our way. It has been a wrong choice and now we're paying the consequences. So get the rid of the overpriced, low performance board and let's get something more serious. Sorry for Acube by quite frankly, I want the Amiga life, not the Acube one. Application port to new x86 operating system: - Firefox - Flash - Multimedia Player - Open Office Suite - Burining DVD software and codecs So what will be the strenght of the new Amiga family? Easy: low price with coast variable between 300 and 800 euros for a complete system. SO WHY ISN'T ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING TO SHAKE THAT SITUATION? I wrote to McEwen about that and if he don't answer me I'll take the first plane to go to speak with him personally... Damn, that situation is pretty frustrating for all of us.

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10 September 2009, 12:51	#6
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	See if you can find some interesting bits here. Good luck !

10 September 2009, 17:04	#10
Npl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vienna / Austria Age: 44 Posts: 257	Well, there is AROS, get coding if you want to see it happen. But I dont see the point anyway if you just want to run the thoroughly mediocre software you listed. Apart from having the same guts as a x86 PC, now you`d be using the same software aswell? Whats the point.. IMHO the only chance to push an AmigaOS would be to make it run on PS3 or other popular consoles. Too bad none of them are (fully) open for or interested in an embedded full fledged OS.

10 September 2009, 20:17	#11
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	[ Show youtube player ] gives some results actually !

10 September 2009, 20:27	#12
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,519	I think you missed the point Deleauvive

10 September 2009, 20:29	#13
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	May be Cool video though, don't you think ?

10 September 2009, 21:10	#14
StevenJGore Amiga Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Age: 46 Posts: 726	I think it's safe to say that a lot of people on EAB are happily accepting that the Amiga is not going to come back, and are appreciating it for the great retro feel and nostalgia that it offers. If it's an enthusiastic response you want to your idea, then post it on Amiga.org. It's full of people who are in denial about the Amiga, and who will happily spend £800 on hardware which can only be used to run a slightly-better-than-home-made OS for which there is no software or games. Steve.

10 September 2009, 21:34	#16
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	@lelezetec: Your propositions are way too expensive. You get a decent PC with lots of software for that price. The way for a new Amiga is either a high end gaming console, or a low end mobile platform/netbook. Nothing beats PC these days, when you want the most bang for the buck. EDIT: To set this straight: Amiga is not coming back. I meant an Amiga substitute. All modern consoles run on PowerPC derivatives, btw. Many super computers run with PowerPC. There is nothing wrong about the platform. It is just that Intel has a monopoly in the desktop market. I think with pervasive computing there is much space between Windows and Unix for a compact, easy and robust OS. (Oh, I like Linux and such, but I don't believe in "one size fits all".)

11 September 2009, 02:02	#17
Cammy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tasmania, Australia Age: 39 Posts: 1,189	I wouldn't want Firefox on any Amiga, it runs like shit stuck in tar on this 1.7Ghz Linux PC. But if you want it for AmigaOS, as well as all that other boring Linux software, start porting to AROS. Hyperion have made it clear that they are NOT going to port AmigaOS to x86 (although I don't think they've specifically excluded x64). If you think PPC is dead in the water, then MorphOS and AmigaOS aren't going to offer you what you want any time soon. AROS and Anubis on the other hand are making steady progress, and encourage developers to contribute directly towards bettering the OS and shaping it the way the USERS want, not some faceless head company. AROS already has a web browser capable of visiting and rendering most websites perfectly, it's called Origyn Web Browser and it's already got Flash support working in some builds, thanks to Gnash. You can also buy a PC with AROS peinstalled and setup, it's called the iMica. You can order one here, and they're certainly cheaper and more powerful than a Sam - http://www.clusteruk.com/

11 September 2009, 02:28	#18
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Cammy Last I looked at the AROS project there was talk of an Inline-Amiga 68k emulator, do you know any more news on this? Last I visited the forums they were discussing bounites for it, alas the need for working substitute kickrom took precidence as (rightly so) any emulation would rely on that too.

11 September 2009, 06:17	#19
Vairn The Grim-Button Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Age: 43 Posts: 414	Zetro, there is a blog from the dude doing the UAE intergration, have a read. http://o1i.blogspot.com/ He seems to have hit the invisible wall of No free time though.

11 September 2009, 17:41	#20
Christian Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Age: 51 Posts: 218	Yeah, what I've love for a modern day Amiga; Don't want to be limited by hardware - my choice of components A choice of OSs that can handle all these bits of hardware in any combination Lightning-fast CPU Some kind of blitter/copper replacement Fast 3D acceleration Virtually unlimited colours Loads of RAM - 8 gig or so would be nice Hardware accelerated sound (stoopid high quality of course with no limits on what can be produced) Choice of cases Massive harddrive(s) with the ability to run all software (inc games) The ability to use modern LCD screens of any size + the resolution to match CRT support for that old-school look (flicker) DVD/Blueray support Bluetooth USB 2 Firewire Wi-fi And of course, the ability to run classic Amiga software. Yep, I'd be in Amiga heaven then ... (see what I did there? :P ) Actually, Windows is so shite, I'm also gonna go back to 3.1. Got me a wireless network card now and iBrowse. A much nicer experience all round I'm sure you'll agree. (At least my joystick port polls faster now - 'tis very important that)

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