Which was, from a technical pov, the best amiga demo - Page 2

Mad-Matt · 23 September 2007, 22:29

a couple of demos i remember fondly include World of Commodore 92 which was a nice upbeat A500 demo. And on the A1200 Control , Origin and Motion Origin 2 in particular for its preview of the fears engine. Fave demo though is the Trsi/mellowchips demo (Forget the exact name) which has some nice texture maped glowy scene going on possibly best amiga demo is ever seen at the time.

A demo I think was called TheEngine which showed what could have been a wipeout game on the amiga. was quite fast too, too bad it never came to anything.

Photon · 24 September 2007, 02:53

ECS is really only different from OCS in that it has more chipmem for animation buffers (Joyride, anyone?)

Haven't seen one that takes advantage of the extra chipset features.

On OCS, a coder's skill could usually be measured by his ability to make fast vectors. Some demos made coders go 'how the...?'

1. Vector Preview by Tai-Pan/CPX
2. Hunt for Red October by Tec/CRB
3. 3D Intro by Tai-Pan/PHX

Some coders steered clear of 3D and did other skilled things (impossible playfields, animation buffer tricks spring to mind). It's cool to make something impossible

which is an illusion ofc. There's also something to be said for those who spend days and weeks optimizing and rewriting a single effect to attain 'impossible speed'.

Tropical sunset by Silents is one of the early 2-D greats.

In later years, I saw an intro with a flight through seemingly fractal clouds in beige tones, but I always forget the group, so if anyone wants to refresh my mind...

And ofc, there is no denying Arte is a stylish, meticulously programmed trackmo. I love it, especially the vectors at the end. What still has me puzzled is how they "filled the horizon" when it's diagonal (fills the screen). Since the vectors aren't interactive, perhaps the whole scene is pre-calced and pre-clipped to save fills, but I doubt it.

The first vector thingy I saw on Amiga was vectorbobs, in the classic MFC intro. It takes someone to come up with stuff like that. No idea if they were first, but I intend to find out

Speaking of just that, one coder stands out. That coder is Celebrandil. He was first with a lot of things-- Transforms in the Interpol demo, Sawcut in Animotion, good raytracing... the reason, I think, was because he excelled at math.

I probably missed a bunch of demos and coders, but it's getting late... bedddd... soooon...

s2325 · 24 September 2007, 05:14

You can see fractal clouds in intro by Prestige (Mortal Kombat II).

s2325 · 08 August 2017, 05:22

Assembly 93 intro for Amiga 500 by Tarkus Team
[ Show youtube player ]

jizmo · 08 August 2017, 13:26

Shining's Vector Exterminator (1991) features bitmap zoomers and super fast vectors, among some other effects that were very fresh both idea and code wise.

Sanity's Arte and World of Commodore were already mentioned, which probably are the two most technically advanced demos for the A500.

A bit of a one trick pony, but the texture mapping effects on Spreadpoint's Cube-o-matic (1991) were so ahead of their time that they left most groups play catch for a long time. On AGA machines Oxygene's Cuzco (1994) did a same kind of feat three years later, rotating a 1x1 pixel resolution light sourced texture mapped cube superbly smooth on a vanilla A1200.

amiga_Forever · 08 August 2017, 19:52

best,,,best ? There is no best, that's your own view..

For me it was Spaceballs (1989), Pointblank (1992) and probably 9Finders. (1993)

s2325 · 08 August 2017, 20:12

Fingers?

NorthWay · 08 August 2017, 21:49

I'm not sure how to rate them, but I always had a soft spot for "Copper Master" by Angels and the loader for RSI Megademo.
And then you have TBL demos...

A1200 · 09 August 2017, 00:39

Likely Nexus 7 by Andromeda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Photon

In later years, I saw an intro with a flight through seemingly fractal clouds in beige tones, but I always forget the group, so if anyone wants to refresh my mind...

s2325 · 12 August 2017, 14:30

Axis made demo where you can scroll through parts without pause or loading:

[ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 27 August 2017, 17:51

Vector Cubes by Bonzai have cubes with textures. There is a reason it's not on YouTube.

amiga_Forever · 19 October 2017, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

Fingers?

hehe..opps... ya. that one .. thx.

Glen M · 14 November 2017, 22:55

I always enjoyed the aga demo braincell by union. Remember first seeing it on a CD32 gamer coverdisk

[ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 16 November 2017, 22:33

Suck Disk demo by C-Lous may look like AGA demo but it's for A500, amazing job:

[ Show youtube player ]

s2325 · 07 December 2017, 22:14

Accession made intro with some complex human running on pseudo 3D terrain, it may be some smart trick but I never saw something similar on Amiga 500:

[ Show youtube player ]

Estrayk · 08 December 2017, 01:33

I remember that all the programmers in my group were impressed with this storm intro:

[ Show youtube player ]

in 89/90 was very impressive. Cube-O-Matic by Spreadpoint was in 1991 I think.

Estrayk · 08 December 2017, 01:38

This one too: It works in an ECS machine. (A3000 for example) 40k! E P I C !

[ Show youtube player ]

jizmo · 08 December 2017, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estrayk

I remember that all the programmers in my group were impressed with this storm intro:
..
in 89/90 was very impressive.

Never saw this one before, very impressive indeed! Would be a feat if someone pulled a similar effect on a vanilla A500 even today.

s2325 · 11 December 2017, 20:46

Prism Vectors by TRSI have plasma on each triangle, it's the only demo I saw with this nice effect

[ Show youtube player ]

S0ulA55a551n · 12 December 2017, 13:37

I think any of 64k demos blow my mind. How they fit so much into so little code

24 September 2007, 02:53	#22
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	ECS is really only different from OCS in that it has more chipmem for animation buffers (Joyride, anyone?) Haven't seen one that takes advantage of the extra chipset features. On OCS, a coder's skill could usually be measured by his ability to make fast vectors. Some demos made coders go 'how the...?' 1. Vector Preview by Tai-Pan/CPX 2. Hunt for Red October by Tec/CRB 3. 3D Intro by Tai-Pan/PHX Some coders steered clear of 3D and did other skilled things (impossible playfields, animation buffer tricks spring to mind). It's cool to make something impossible which is an illusion ofc. There's also something to be said for those who spend days and weeks optimizing and rewriting a single effect to attain 'impossible speed'. Tropical sunset by Silents is one of the early 2-D greats. In later years, I saw an intro with a flight through seemingly fractal clouds in beige tones, but I always forget the group, so if anyone wants to refresh my mind... And ofc, there is no denying Arte is a stylish, meticulously programmed trackmo. I love it, especially the vectors at the end. What still has me puzzled is how they "filled the horizon" when it's diagonal (fills the screen). Since the vectors aren't interactive, perhaps the whole scene is pre-calced and pre-clipped to save fills, but I doubt it. The first vector thingy I saw on Amiga was vectorbobs, in the classic MFC intro. It takes someone to come up with stuff like that. No idea if they were first, but I intend to find out Speaking of just that, one coder stands out. That coder is Celebrandil. He was first with a lot of things-- Transforms in the Interpol demo, Sawcut in Animotion, good raytracing... the reason, I think, was because he excelled at math. I probably missed a bunch of demos and coders, but it's getting late... bedddd... soooon... Last edited by Photon; 24 September 2007 at 03:18.

08 August 2017, 13:26	#25
jizmo Registered Abuser Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Valencia / Spain Posts: 361	Shining's Vector Exterminator (1991) features bitmap zoomers and super fast vectors, among some other effects that were very fresh both idea and code wise. Sanity's Arte and World of Commodore were already mentioned, which probably are the two most technically advanced demos for the A500. A bit of a one trick pony, but the texture mapping effects on Spreadpoint's Cube-o-matic (1991) were so ahead of their time that they left most groups play catch for a long time. On AGA machines Oxygene's Cuzco (1994) did a same kind of feat three years later, rotating a 1x1 pixel resolution light sourced texture mapped cube superbly smooth on a vanilla A1200. Last edited by jizmo; 08 August 2017 at 18:12.

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23 September 2007, 22:29	#21
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	a couple of demos i remember fondly include World of Commodore 92 which was a nice upbeat A500 demo. And on the A1200 Control , Origin and Motion Origin 2 in particular for its preview of the fears engine. Fave demo though is the Trsi/mellowchips demo (Forget the exact name) which has some nice texture maped glowy scene going on possibly best amiga demo is ever seen at the time. A demo I think was called TheEngine which showed what could have been a wipeout game on the amiga. was quite fast too, too bad it never came to anything.

24 September 2007, 05:14	#23
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	You can see fractal clouds in intro by Prestige (Mortal Kombat II).

08 August 2017, 05:22	#24
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Assembly 93 intro for Amiga 500 by Tarkus Team [ Show youtube player ]

08 August 2017, 19:52	#26
amiga_Forever Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: kkhkj Posts: 323	best,,,best ? There is no best, that's your own view.. For me it was Spaceballs (1989), Pointblank (1992) and probably 9Finders. (1993)

08 August 2017, 20:12	#27
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Fingers?

08 August 2017, 21:49	#28
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 839	I'm not sure how to rate them, but I always had a soft spot for "Copper Master" by Angels and the loader for RSI Megademo. And then you have TBL demos...

12 August 2017, 14:30	#30
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Axis made demo where you can scroll through parts without pause or loading: [ Show youtube player ]

27 August 2017, 17:51	#31
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Vector Cubes by Bonzai have cubes with textures. There is a reason it's not on YouTube.

14 November 2017, 22:55	#33
Glen M Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: Belfast Posts: 750	I always enjoyed the aga demo braincell by union. Remember first seeing it on a CD32 gamer coverdisk [ Show youtube player ]

16 November 2017, 22:33	#34
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Suck Disk demo by C-Lous may look like AGA demo but it's for A500, amazing job: [ Show youtube player ]

07 December 2017, 22:14	#35
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Accession made intro with some complex human running on pseudo 3D terrain, it may be some smart trick but I never saw something similar on Amiga 500: [ Show youtube player ]

08 December 2017, 01:33	#36
Estrayk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Spain Posts: 511	I remember that all the programmers in my group were impressed with this storm intro: [ Show youtube player ] in 89/90 was very impressive. Cube-O-Matic by Spreadpoint was in 1991 I think.

08 December 2017, 01:38	#37
Estrayk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Spain Posts: 511	This one too: It works in an ECS machine. (A3000 for example) 40k! E P I C ! [ Show youtube player ]

11 December 2017, 20:46	#39
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Prism Vectors by TRSI have plasma on each triangle, it's the only demo I saw with this nice effect [ Show youtube player ]

12 December 2017, 13:37	#40
S0ulA55a551n Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Wales Age: 46 Posts: 934	I think any of 64k demos blow my mind. How they fit so much into so little code

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