Attack Of The Amiga Clones!

CodyJarrett · 11 February 2002, 11:34

Here's another idea I stole from Amiga Power...

What I will do is to list two games each time - one will be an alleged copy of the other. You, the good people of the EAB must discuss the case for or against each of them!

I'll upload them in the Zone, just in case anyone doesn't have them and wants to try them out.

Case number 1 - Pang vs Ooops Up

The Plaintiff - Pang (Mitchell 1989 [arcade], Ocean 1990)
Features bouncing bubbles, which must be burst using a variety of weaponry from below. They burst into increasingly smaller bubbles.

The Defendant - Ooops Up (Demonware 1991)
Features bouncing balls, which must be burst using a variety of weaponry from below. They burst into increasingly smaller balls.

Tim Janssen · 11 February 2002, 12:01

The main reason I still have Ooops Up on Amiga is that I was a big fan of house act Snap and the original Ooops-up single was the first CD I have ever bought. The game has a faithful rendition of the single but is not that playable.
Recently I discovered Pang playing it in WinFellow and makes me wonder why I haven’t played it before all those years ago.

Here come the comparisons:
- Pang features different music for all worlds, Ooops Up has only one song that repeats continuously. Although I like the Ooops Up music, hearing it for the 467th time really makes me turn off the speakers;
- Every action in Ooops Up results in long disc access. In Pang this isn’t the case;
- Before completing a level in Ooops Up, you must collect a coin. Otherwise you have to start the level all over again. In Pang shooting all bubbles alone is enough to progress.
- Pang features beautiful coloured backgrounds, Ooops Up only dark planet surfaces;
- Interlevel screens in Pang are cute, but the ship construction-screen in Ooops up really makes you want to progress further in the game.

To conclude my plea: apart from the interlevel screens, Pang is way superior to Ooops up.

Kodoichi · 11 February 2002, 12:39

In Ooops Up, it's much harder to avoid the aliens or shot them.

I bought that game because there was some sort of contest going on with this game in our country and it only cost CHF 25.- or so...

I haven't played it in a long time, but I think one good thing about this game was that you could shoot the bricks with the double laser shot (IIRC), while in Pang you can't do that.

Amiga1992 · 11 February 2002, 20:54

Die Oops Up! by my hand!!!

When I tried to copy Pang, the bastard at the shop copied thsi shite ionstead. I hated it ever since!!!!

Pang forever, Oops Up must die!

CodyJarrett · 12 February 2002, 10:21

It is clear from the evidence given by the witnesses that Ooops Up is a poor imitation of Pang and while it does add one or two interesting features (the music and a ship building bit), it completely fails to be better than its source at all.

I therefore am compelled to sentence Ooops Up to 10 years in the EAB jail. Case closed.

CodyJarrett · 12 February 2002, 10:34

Case number 2 - Sensible Soccer/SWOS vs Football Glory

The Plaintiff - SWOS (Sensible Software 1992-1996)
Footballing action with little men!

The Defendant - Football Glory (Croteam 1994)
Footballing action with little men!

CodyJarrett · 12 February 2002, 10:36

Mmmm - it's ironic that I'm doing a thread about plaigarism in Amiga games, but I thieved the idea for it from Amiga Power!

TikTok · 12 February 2002, 11:10

How about The Chaos Engine and Alien Bash (2?). I know AB was PD, but it was a blatant copy

.

Pyromania · 12 February 2002, 12:21

What happened to Dungeon Master vs Bloodwych?

CodyJarrett · 12 February 2002, 12:27

Order in the court!

Will those present please restrict their comments to the case in hand?

jmmijo · 12 February 2002, 20:02

Quote:

Originally posted by CodyJarrett
Order in the court!

Will those present please restrict their comments to the case in hand?

Yes Judge Cody has spoken, he'll clear the peanut gallery if he doesn't have order :laugh

Since I've never been a big Football(Soccer) fan, I'll have to defer to my European breathren on this one

Amiga1992 · 12 February 2002, 20:43

Oh man, Football Glory... Only bit I liked about it was the incidental animations it had... Something SWOS should have had... But then, it was a plain ripoff of Sensi...

But, the indoor footy version was not so loathable, so I could give it some extra points for that...

I'm a bit undecided here, but I'd say Fiootball Glory is guilty as charged!

Codetapper · 12 February 2002, 21:35

Let me first say that I have never played Football Glory but from the screenshots, it looks like a blatant copy, even down to the size of the characters and the title pic of the stadium (which is the background pic on the menu selection screen in SWOS).

I honestly don't know how you could improve SWOS at all and I have never had anybody tell me to play/try Football Glory when I mention that I love SWOS...

Therefore I pass motion that Football Glory be sentenced to not less than seven (7) years in the aforementioned EAB jail and is not eligible for parole before this time...

bgbennyboy · 12 February 2002, 21:40

Football Glory was fun.
I seem to remember Amiga Format (might have been CU amiga) pronouncing it better than sensi soccer.
(This was pre-SWOS of course)

Played well, the ball stuck to your feet more than SWOS (al-a striker) as a footy game it was quite comprehensive.

But at the end of the day it was just a sensi-clone and bowed down before the all conquering SWOS.

And yes the animations were good, particulary when the referee got hit when he sent someone off. In fact there was an animation that I have never seen since of a naked woman running on the pitch and saying "im safe for sex" (I swear this is true). Needless to say this caused much hilarity and for that Football Glory will always be remembered fondly in my house.
Oh and it had a good theme tune too........

bgbennyboy · 12 February 2002, 21:43

And its developers Croteam went on to produce Serious Sam 1 and 2 !!

CodyJarrett · 12 February 2002, 21:49

Yup! I'm playing through Serious Sam 2 at the moment. They are great games.

kriz · 13 February 2002, 12:37

yeah, football glory was great. I remember me and my broher playing it alot (even more than Sensible Soccer!!)

13 February 2002, 13:10

The red stains on the field in the screenshot can't be blood can they? I started to percieve them like that after bgbennyboy mentioned Serious Sam.

CodyJarrett · 14 February 2002, 09:27

I thought they were muds stains, until the hundreds of now-extinct skeleton horse warriors galloped onto the Football Glory pitch.

Anyway, it's the finding of this court that Football Glory should spend no less than 5 years in the EAB jail, because it can still be fun (but perhaps only because it copied Sensi so closely). Case closed.

CodyJarrett · 14 February 2002, 13:14

Case Number 3 - R-Type [Arcade version] vs Denaris

The Plaintiff - R-Type [Arcade version] (Irem 1987)
Fly horizontally in your space craft and destroy the onslaught!

The Defendant - Denaris (Factor 5/Rainbow Arts 1988)[/B]
Fly horizontally in your space craft and destroy the onslaught!

[Arcade screenshots from Screenmania]

11 February 2002, 11:34	#1
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Attack Of The Amiga Clones! Here's another idea I stole from Amiga Power... What I will do is to list two games each time - one will be an alleged copy of the other. You, the good people of the EAB must discuss the case for or against each of them! I'll upload them in the Zone, just in case anyone doesn't have them and wants to try them out. Case number 1 - Pang vs Ooops Up The Plaintiff - Pang (Mitchell 1989 [arcade], Ocean 1990) Features bouncing bubbles, which must be burst using a variety of weaponry from below. They burst into increasingly smaller bubbles. The Defendant - Ooops Up (Demonware 1991) Features bouncing balls, which must be burst using a variety of weaponry from below. They burst into increasingly smaller balls. Attached Thumbnails

11 February 2002, 12:01	#2
Tim Janssen Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Den Bosch / The Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 1,271	The people versus Ooops up The main reason I still have Ooops Up on Amiga is that I was a big fan of house act Snap and the original Ooops-up single was the first CD I have ever bought. The game has a faithful rendition of the single but is not that playable. Recently I discovered Pang playing it in WinFellow and makes me wonder why I haven’t played it before all those years ago. Here come the comparisons: - Pang features different music for all worlds, Ooops Up has only one song that repeats continuously. Although I like the Ooops Up music, hearing it for the 467th time really makes me turn off the speakers; - Every action in Ooops Up results in long disc access. In Pang this isn’t the case; - Before completing a level in Ooops Up, you must collect a coin. Otherwise you have to start the level all over again. In Pang shooting all bubbles alone is enough to progress. - Pang features beautiful coloured backgrounds, Ooops Up only dark planet surfaces; - Interlevel screens in Pang are cute, but the ship construction-screen in Ooops up really makes you want to progress further in the game. To conclude my plea: apart from the interlevel screens, Pang is way superior to Ooops up.

12 February 2002, 10:34	#6
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Case number 2 - Sensible Soccer/SWOS vs Football Glory The Plaintiff - SWOS (Sensible Software 1992-1996) Footballing action with little men! The Defendant - Football Glory (Croteam 1994) Footballing action with little men! Attached Thumbnails

12 February 2002, 12:21	#9
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,393	Dungeon Master vs Bloodwych What happened to Dungeon Master vs Bloodwych?

12 February 2002, 21:35	#13
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	SWOS rules! Let me first say that I have never played Football Glory but from the screenshots, it looks like a blatant copy, even down to the size of the characters and the title pic of the stadium (which is the background pic on the menu selection screen in SWOS). I honestly don't know how you could improve SWOS at all and I have never had anybody tell me to play/try Football Glory when I mention that I love SWOS... Therefore I pass motion that Football Glory be sentenced to not less than seven (7) years in the aforementioned EAB jail and is not eligible for parole before this time...

11 February 2002, 12:39	#3
Kodoichi Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: I'm the smiling face on your TV, I exploit you still you love me Posts: 515	In Ooops Up, it's much harder to avoid the aliens or shot them. I bought that game because there was some sort of contest going on with this game in our country and it only cost CHF 25.- or so... I haven't played it in a long time, but I think one good thing about this game was that you could shoot the bricks with the double laser shot (IIRC), while in Pang you can't do that.

11 February 2002, 20:54	#4
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	Die Oops Up! by my hand!!! When I tried to copy Pang, the bastard at the shop copied thsi shite ionstead. I hated it ever since!!!! Pang forever, Oops Up must die!

12 February 2002, 10:21	#5
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	It is clear from the evidence given by the witnesses that Ooops Up is a poor imitation of Pang and while it does add one or two interesting features (the music and a ship building bit), it completely fails to be better than its source at all. I therefore am compelled to sentence Ooops Up to 10 years in the EAB jail. Case closed.

12 February 2002, 10:36	#7
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Mmmm - it's ironic that I'm doing a thread about plaigarism in Amiga games, but I thieved the idea for it from Amiga Power!

12 February 2002, 11:10	#8
TikTok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Malayasia Age: 43 Posts: 657	How about The Chaos Engine and Alien Bash (2?). I know AB was PD, but it was a blatant copy .

12 February 2002, 12:27	#10
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Order in the court! Will those present please restrict their comments to the case in hand?

12 February 2002, 20:43	#12
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,658	Oh man, Football Glory... Only bit I liked about it was the incidental animations it had... Something SWOS should have had... But then, it was a plain ripoff of Sensi... But, the indoor footy version was not so loathable, so I could give it some extra points for that... I'm a bit undecided here, but I'd say Fiootball Glory is guilty as charged!

12 February 2002, 21:40	#14
bgbennyboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 55	Football Glory was fun. I seem to remember Amiga Format (might have been CU amiga) pronouncing it better than sensi soccer. (This was pre-SWOS of course) Played well, the ball stuck to your feet more than SWOS (al-a striker) as a footy game it was quite comprehensive. But at the end of the day it was just a sensi-clone and bowed down before the all conquering SWOS. And yes the animations were good, particulary when the referee got hit when he sent someone off. In fact there was an animation that I have never seen since of a naked woman running on the pitch and saying "im safe for sex" (I swear this is true). Needless to say this caused much hilarity and for that Football Glory will always be remembered fondly in my house. Oh and it had a good theme tune too........

12 February 2002, 21:43	#15
bgbennyboy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK Posts: 55	And its developers Croteam went on to produce Serious Sam 1 and 2 !!

12 February 2002, 21:49	#16
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Yup! I'm playing through Serious Sam 2 at the moment. They are great games.

13 February 2002, 12:37	#17
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 42 Posts: 3,234	yeah, football glory was great. I remember me and my broher playing it alot (even more than Sensible Soccer!!)

13 February 2002, 13:10	#18
oldpx Posts: n/a	The red stains on the field in the screenshot can't be blood can they? I started to percieve them like that after bgbennyboy mentioned Serious Sam.

14 February 2002, 09:27	#19
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	I thought they were muds stains, until the hundreds of now-extinct skeleton horse warriors galloped onto the Football Glory pitch. Anyway, it's the finding of this court that Football Glory should spend no less than 5 years in the EAB jail, because it can still be fun (but perhaps only because it copied Sensi so closely). Case closed.

14 February 2002, 13:14	#20
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,166	Case Number 3 - R-Type [Arcade version] vs Denaris The Plaintiff - R-Type [Arcade version] (Irem 1987) Fly horizontally in your space craft and destroy the onslaught! The Defendant - Denaris (Factor 5/Rainbow Arts 1988)[/B] Fly horizontally in your space craft and destroy the onslaught! [Arcade screenshots from Screenmania] Attached Thumbnails

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