Renegades Deluxe gets released! - Page 2

DamienD · 27 December 2015, 16:34

Ooooh I'll have to try this one

Nice work LordNipple and Kevin

Selur · 29 December 2015, 01:31

Is there any Amos source code for Rengades?

CaptainNow · 01 January 2016, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selur

Is there any Amos source code for Rengades?

I think the source is present on the original .adf over at Amigapd.com
Kev warns that his source code is messy

The .rar for the game is on this page. I remember the source being on there

http://www.amigapd.com/interview-wayne-ashworth.html

hipoonios · 01 January 2016, 22:05

This is a great game

Pity that it is a two player game only and i have no friends to play with

DamienD · 01 January 2016, 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipoonios

This is a great game

Pity that it is a two player game only and i have no friends to play with

I'll probably have the same issue hipoonios

CaptainNow · 01 January 2016, 23:51

Oh man! You have no idea how badly I wanted to create a 1 player game out of this engine, the code is in there for a 1 player display and I may record a video to show this working for Youtube, but I couldn't convince the programmer to work with me on it. I devised a sci-fi RPG structure to go into the engine so people would've been able to play and play and play...but alas it probably won't ever happen. I even started drawing the mini-coms portraits for the various dialogues

http://captainnow.deviantart.com/art...game-571367028

Retrofan · 02 January 2016, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

I'll probably have the same issue hipoonios

Same and shame here.

CaptainNow · 02 January 2016, 09:23

I have uploaded a very short video showing the abandoned 1 player function in Renegades...the code still exists in the Renegades Deluxes engine but can only be activated via the source code. This is why the speed is all over the place, it's running uncompiled in Amos Pro via emulation while recording software is running.

[ Show youtube player ]

Retrofan · 02 January 2016, 10:51

Maybe some coder could offer to finish it and the author share the source with him.

CaptainNow · 02 January 2016, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Maybe some coder could offer to finish it and the author share the source with him.

I could try to get in touch with Kev about it I could and ask him but I wouldn't hold your breath

This is a project very dear to me and I would've given anything to work with Kev on it further to develop it into a single player sci-fi RPG. I never got a chance to explain to Kev how we'd do this in the current engine as he won't reply to my emails and everytime I have spoken to him about Renegades he makes it very clear he's done with it and done with programming on the amiga. I suspect this is the best that it's ever going to be.

But if someone was to get the source off the original .adf and modify it I couldn't stop them, if they could understand it that is. I know that the .abk files are packed so that side of things wouldn't be able to be edited and new files would have to be created.

DamienD · 08 January 2016, 21:55

Hello there Wayne,

Tonight I've been setting up / configuring your game in WinUAE v3.2.2.

From what I've found I need to use KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom and 2MB Chip RAM.

Other thing is that the text seems a bit cut-off when you get to the main title / selection menu.

Can you suggested the optimal settings to use?

CaptainNow · 09 January 2016, 21:33

Hi DamienD!

I am afraid there's a graphical bug in the Deluxe version that wasn't there in the original 1995 release (Amos Pro up to it's old tricks again) and we didn't spot it properly until we sent the .ADF out.
I know that it plays a little faster on a 1200.
Other than that I can't tell you any more apart from i hope you play along with a friend and I am sorry about the graphical glitches!

DamienD · 09 January 2016, 23:35

No need to apologise. Thank you kindly for this very cool game that you obviously put a lot of effort into. It's really awesome

Hopefully I can find someone to play against

CaptainNow · 10 January 2016, 01:30

Thankyou! I speak on behalf of the programmer, Kevin Darbyshire too

I know that he put so much work into it he was pretty much done with it in the 90's, I was lucky to get him back to work on it further for the Deluxe release.

We are very proud of this little game, I only wish we could've made the one player.

Muzkat · 10 January 2016, 02:12

Looks fantastic! Well done.

DamienD · 10 January 2016, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Maybe some coder could offer to finish it and the author share the source with him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordNipple

But if someone was to get the source off the original .adf and modify it I couldn't stop them, if they could understand it that is. I know that the .abk files are packed so that side of things wouldn't be able to be edited and new files would have to be created.

Totally understand if Kevin doesn't want to work on this anymore.

There are so many talented people here on EAB

As Retrofan has mentioned I wonder if anyone here could assist with this?

Removing that text bug and having one player mode would be so cool

DamienD · 10 January 2016, 14:18

Hello Wayne,

Thought I'd give the original Renegades a go also

The text bug is also in both versions that I tried:

a) from the web page you listed http://www.amigapd.com/interview-wayne-ashworth.html {renegades.rar}
b) from TOSEC\Games\Public Domain - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2012-12-24_CM) {Renegades (1995)(Darbyshire, K.).zip}

The HOL screenshots don't have this issue: http://hol.abime.net/6074

I wonder what .ADF they used?

DamienD · 10 January 2016, 15:17

Hey there Wayne,

Been playing around (as per usual) and have some good news...

I've managed to get the text to display correctly in my WinUAE configurations for both "Renegades" & "Renegades Deluxe"

Here's what I've found (I'll use "Renegades Deluxe" as the example):

a) If I use a "KS ROM v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5 (256k).rom" I get an error when loading; "Renegades failed returncode 20" (see 1st attached screenshot).

b) This is why previously I had used "KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom". The game loads / works but there is the text bug (see 2nd attached screenshot).

c) I then tried using other A500+ / A600 Kickstarts and now the game works without the text bug (see 3rd attached screenshot):
... "KS ROM v2.04 (A500+) rev 37.175 (512k).rom"
... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600) rev 37.299 (512k).rom"
... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.300 (512k).rom"
... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.350 (512k).rom"

So the bug seems to be related to using the "KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom".

Tried "Renegades" with any of the above Kickstarts listed in "c)" and now the text bug is also gone (see 4th attached screenshot).

CaptainNow · 24 January 2016, 17:20

DamienD thankyou so much!!
It was driving me insane as to why this was happening!!

I wonder if it was due to any extensions Kevin had loaded into Amos pro...I will have to double check

Thanks again!!

aszu · 24 January 2016, 20:38

I have just discovered, Thanks a lot! Well done!

01 January 2016, 23:51	#26
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 47 Posts: 500	Oh man! You have no idea how badly I wanted to create a 1 player game out of this engine, the code is in there for a 1 player display and I may record a video to show this working for Youtube, but I couldn't convince the programmer to work with me on it. I devised a sci-fi RPG structure to go into the engine so people would've been able to play and play and play...but alas it probably won't ever happen. I even started drawing the mini-coms portraits for the various dialogues http://captainnow.deviantart.com/art...game-571367028 Last edited by CaptainNow; 02 January 2016 at 09:54. Reason: Spelling mistakes

08 January 2016, 21:55	#31
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 45 Posts: 20,421	Hello there Wayne, Tonight I've been setting up / configuring your game in WinUAE v3.2.2. From what I've found I need to use KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom and 2MB Chip RAM. Other thing is that the text seems a bit cut-off when you get to the main title / selection menu. Can you suggested the optimal settings to use? Last edited by DamienD; 10 January 2016 at 13:00.

09 January 2016, 21:33	#32
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 47 Posts: 500	Hi DamienD! I am afraid there's a graphical bug in the Deluxe version that wasn't there in the original 1995 release (Amos Pro up to it's old tricks again) and we didn't spot it properly until we sent the .ADF out. I know that it plays a little faster on a 1200. Other than that I can't tell you any more apart from i hope you play along with a friend and I am sorry about the graphical glitches! Last edited by CaptainNow; 10 January 2016 at 01:26. Reason: I am an idiot.

09 January 2016, 23:35	#33
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 45 Posts: 20,421	No need to apologise. Thank you kindly for this very cool game that you obviously put a lot of effort into. It's really awesome Hopefully I can find someone to play against Last edited by DamienD; 09 January 2016 at 23:59.

10 January 2016, 14:18	#37
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 45 Posts: 20,421	Hello Wayne, Thought I'd give the original Renegades a go also The text bug is also in both versions that I tried: a) from the web page you listed http://www.amigapd.com/interview-wayne-ashworth.html {renegades.rar} b) from TOSEC\Games\Public Domain - [ADF] (TOSEC-v2012-12-24_CM) {Renegades (1995)(Darbyshire, K.).zip} The HOL screenshots don't have this issue: http://hol.abime.net/6074 I wonder what .ADF they used? Attached Thumbnails

27 December 2015, 16:34	#21
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 45 Posts: 20,421	Ooooh I'll have to try this one Nice work LordNipple and Kevin

29 December 2015, 01:31	#22
Selur Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Poznan/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 113	Is there any Amos source code for Rengades?

01 January 2016, 22:05	#24
hipoonios Amiga Hardcore Gamer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,207	This is a great game Pity that it is a two player game only and i have no friends to play with

02 January 2016, 09:23	#28
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 47 Posts: 500	I have uploaded a very short video showing the abandoned 1 player function in Renegades...the code still exists in the Renegades Deluxes engine but can only be activated via the source code. This is why the speed is all over the place, it's running uncompiled in Amos Pro via emulation while recording software is running. [ Show youtube player ]

02 January 2016, 10:51	#29
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,138	Maybe some coder could offer to finish it and the author share the source with him.

10 January 2016, 01:30	#34
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 47 Posts: 500	Thankyou! I speak on behalf of the programmer, Kevin Darbyshire too I know that he put so much work into it he was pretty much done with it in the 90's, I was lucky to get him back to work on it further for the Deluxe release. We are very proud of this little game, I only wish we could've made the one player.

10 January 2016, 02:12	#35
Muzkat Into the Wonderful Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Earthrealm Age: 40 Posts: 1,375	Looks fantastic! Well done.

10 January 2016, 15:17	#38
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 45 Posts: 20,421	Hey there Wayne, Been playing around (as per usual) and have some good news... I've managed to get the text to display correctly in my WinUAE configurations for both "Renegades" & "Renegades Deluxe" Here's what I've found (I'll use "Renegades Deluxe" as the example): a) If I use a "KS ROM v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5 (256k).rom" I get an error when loading; "Renegades failed returncode 20" (see 1st attached screenshot). b) This is why previously I had used "KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom". The game loads / works but there is the text bug (see 2nd attached screenshot). c) I then tried using other A500+ / A600 Kickstarts and now the game works without the text bug (see 3rd attached screenshot): ... "KS ROM v2.04 (A500+) rev 37.175 (512k).rom" ... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600) rev 37.299 (512k).rom" ... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.300 (512k).rom" ... "KS ROM v2.05 (A600HD) rev 37.350 (512k).rom" So the bug seems to be related to using the "KS ROM v3.1 (A500,A600,A2000) rev 40.63 (512k).rom". Tried "Renegades" with any of the above Kickstarts listed in "c)" and now the text bug is also gone (see 4th attached screenshot). Attached Thumbnails

24 January 2016, 17:20	#39
CaptainNow Eleventh Hour Games Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carnforth, England Age: 47 Posts: 500	DamienD thankyou so much!! It was driving me insane as to why this was happening!! I wonder if it was due to any extensions Kevin had loaded into Amos pro...I will have to double check Thanks again!! Last edited by CaptainNow; 24 January 2016 at 19:52.

24 January 2016, 20:38	#40
aszu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Leeds Posts: 141	I have just discovered, Thanks a lot! Well done!

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