Scart to Hdmi upscaler and Deluxe Paint 4? Advice please.

Adrian Browne · 22 May 2021, 03:54

I am looking at this Amiga & C64 RGB Scart to HDMI Converter / Upscaler.

https://www.ami64.com/product-page/a...erter-upscaler

Would such a set-up be good for painting with say Deluxe Paint 4? Would there be any display issues in terms of pixel contrast or blurriness on my flatscreen telly?

I am finding my rgb scart cable hooked up to an old crt produces blurry pixels and it is somewhat difficult to do detailed pixels. What would be the best solution to connect my a1200 to my flatscreen- it has vga, hdmi, scart etc.

Usually when using pro motion on my flatscreen I select "Video mode" in the hdmi mode settings and this produces good results. Would this hdmi "Video mode" be available to use with my a1200. I want to do all my amiga pixel art on my A1200 using d-paint 4.

lilwshu · 22 May 2021, 08:57

That box is a low quality generic scaler and like a lot of the stuff at that store seems to be wildly overpriced:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mcbazel-Con.../dp/B078PCGRZC

It’s unlikely to fix your blurry pixels as the input is analogue and there is only so much anything like that can do - you would need something like an Indivision for your 1200 to eliminate them. Alternatively if you have an A500 or A2000 lying about you can use the RGBHDMI raspberry pi adapter which gives a perfect image.

Lord Aga · 22 May 2021, 10:22

Nah. Blurry, not-so-nice colours, and adds a noticeable lag. Good only for testing purpouses and emergency connections.

Go for a higher quality and longer lasting solution.

Adrian Browne · 22 May 2021, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilwshu

That box is a low quality generic scaler and like a lot of the stuff at that store seems to be wildly overpriced:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mcbazel-Con.../dp/B078PCGRZC

It’s unlikely to fix your blurry pixels as the input is analogue and there is only so much anything like that can do - you would need something like an Indivision for your 1200 to eliminate them. Alternatively if you have an A500 or A2000 lying about you can use the RGBHDMI raspberry pi adapter which gives a perfect image.

And no such adapter exists for a1200? Indivisions are expensive i believe.

Adrian Browne · 22 May 2021, 15:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Nah. Blurry, not-so-nice colours, and adds a noticeable lag. Good only for testing purpouses and emergency connections.

Go for a higher quality and longer lasting solution.

Any suggestions?

Adrian Browne · 22 May 2021, 15:30

How about one of these? https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=106873

I have a vga port on my flatscreen telly. Or is vga much of an improvement for say pixel art etc?

Lord Aga · 22 May 2021, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Browne

Any suggestions?

I'm actually in the same boat as you

Weighing my options right now. D520 is excellent, but a bit pricey. ODV adapter is kind of a new thing (although it's S-Video, not SCART) and there are no Amiga experiences yet.

Will keep everyone posted with my adventures

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian Browne

I have a vga port on my flatscreen telly. Or is vga much of an improvement for say pixel art etc?

If you have a VGA port on your telly there is a chance that it will accept your Amiga input without additional thingamajigs. Just straight Amiga RGB to VGA. My old Sharp TV used to do that. And the picture was perfect. Definitely good enough for pixel art. VGA adapters are cheap, you should try it.

MrClump · 22 May 2021, 23:14

I get fantastic results with an OSSC paired with my A1200, it doesn't look far off a native digital output. They're not cheap, and you've got to be prepared to roll your sleeves up to get the best out of it though.

Krashan · 23 May 2021, 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilwshu

That box is a low quality generic scaler and like a lot of the stuff at that store seems to be wildly overpriced

Overpriced, yes. Low quality, I disagree. With proper RGB-SCART cable results are quite good. Not as good, as Indivision of course.

Adrian Browne · 25 May 2021, 01:50

So I ordered a an rgb to vga adapter and got a free vga cable from a friend. When the adapter arrives I will test to see if it improves pixel distinction on deluxe paint 4 on my flatscreen- worth a try.

Adrian Browne · 29 May 2021, 04:29

https://www.amedia-computer.com/en/v...a-classic.html

Does anyone have experience with one of these? Any good?

Lord Aga · 29 May 2021, 20:59

I'm considering the same device

So, no, I don't have the first-hand experience, but everywhere I look people are happy with it and recommend it.

Adrian Browne · 30 May 2021, 04:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

I'm considering the same device

So, no, I don't have the first-hand experience, but everywhere I look people are happy with it and recommend it.

I see- I did not find any reviews of it. It's pricey- I mainly want to use d-paint 4 on my flatscreen and games too are a bonus.

lilwshu · 30 May 2021, 08:35

Similarly I haven’t seen any actual reviews of the D520, only a few similar looking people that appear when it’s mentioned - at the price I don’t know why anyone would buy one compared to something like an Indivision (maybe dislike of opening the case or many Amigas).

Lord Aga · 30 May 2021, 09:48

Well, you can use it on any Amiga model (if you have more than one), and it doesn't put any strain or heat on your chip (like in the case of AGA Indivisions).

Also, yes, experiences seem to be concentrated (yeep) mostly in Germany. So visit German forums (use Google translate for help, it's decent enough).

Of course, you need to consider some extra space for the bulge hanging off the back of your Amiga

Jope · 30 May 2021, 20:44

Ok, I won't reiterate my experiences here, since I'm a similar looking person and own a D520. Go find my opinion elsewhere on this forum if you're interested. :-D

Adrian Browne · 31 May 2021, 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

Ok, I won't reiterate my experiences here, since I'm a similar looking person and own a D520. Go find my opinion elsewhere on this forum if you're interested. :-D

I found your comments in an old thread -yes. Did you try d-paint 4 or other paint programs? Were the pixels crisp and clear etc?

Jope · 31 May 2021, 10:18

I didn't try paint programs specifically, as I can't imagine how the choice of software would make a difference in the image quality. But PAL/NTSC modes work fine and look sharp.

I can take a photo of the picture and run a few different pieces of software later today if I remember.

Adrian Browne · 31 May 2021, 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

I didn't try paint programs specifically, as I can't imagine how the choice of software would make a difference in the image quality. But PAL/NTSC modes work fine and look sharp.

I can take a photo of the picture and run a few different pieces of software later today if I remember.

Sure. Makes sense. If you have time yes thanks.

mathop · 01 June 2021, 00:08

I was very impressed with the D520, here's a video (ignore the compression artifacts)

[ Show youtube player ]

D520 is a bit pricy though, I would think any RGB-to-HDMI adapter would work, although perhaps with some lag, but if you're running DP4 instead of games that could be tolerable.

22 May 2021, 03:54	#1
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 985	Scart to Hdmi upscaler and Deluxe Paint 4? Advice please. I am looking at this Amiga & C64 RGB Scart to HDMI Converter / Upscaler. https://www.ami64.com/product-page/a...erter-upscaler Would such a set-up be good for painting with say Deluxe Paint 4? Would there be any display issues in terms of pixel contrast or blurriness on my flatscreen telly? I am finding my rgb scart cable hooked up to an old crt produces blurry pixels and it is somewhat difficult to do detailed pixels. What would be the best solution to connect my a1200 to my flatscreen- it has vga, hdmi, scart etc. Usually when using pro motion on my flatscreen I select "Video mode" in the hdmi mode settings and this produces good results. Would this hdmi "Video mode" be available to use with my a1200. I want to do all my amiga pixel art on my A1200 using d-paint 4.

30 May 2021, 09:48	#15
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Well, you can use it on any Amiga model (if you have more than one), and it doesn't put any strain or heat on your chip (like in the case of AGA Indivisions). Also, yes, experiences seem to be concentrated (yeep) mostly in Germany. So visit German forums (use Google translate for help, it's decent enough). Of course, you need to consider some extra space for the bulge hanging off the back of your Amiga Last edited by Lord Aga; 30 May 2021 at 11:58.

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22 May 2021, 08:57	#2
lilwshu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: UK Posts: 243	That box is a low quality generic scaler and like a lot of the stuff at that store seems to be wildly overpriced: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mcbazel-Con.../dp/B078PCGRZC It’s unlikely to fix your blurry pixels as the input is analogue and there is only so much anything like that can do - you would need something like an Indivision for your 1200 to eliminate them. Alternatively if you have an A500 or A2000 lying about you can use the RGBHDMI raspberry pi adapter which gives a perfect image.

22 May 2021, 10:22	#3
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Nah. Blurry, not-so-nice colours, and adds a noticeable lag. Good only for testing purpouses and emergency connections. Go for a higher quality and longer lasting solution.

22 May 2021, 15:30	#6
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 985	How about one of these? https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=106873 I have a vga port on my flatscreen telly. Or is vga much of an improvement for say pixel art etc?

22 May 2021, 23:14	#8
MrClump Registered User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Torquay Posts: 166	I get fantastic results with an OSSC paired with my A1200, it doesn't look far off a native digital output. They're not cheap, and you've got to be prepared to roll your sleeves up to get the best out of it though.

25 May 2021, 01:50	#10
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 985	So I ordered a an rgb to vga adapter and got a free vga cable from a friend. When the adapter arrives I will test to see if it improves pixel distinction on deluxe paint 4 on my flatscreen- worth a try.

29 May 2021, 04:29	#11
Adrian Browne Jackie Chan Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Ireland Age: 46 Posts: 985	https://www.amedia-computer.com/en/v...a-classic.html Does anyone have experience with one of these? Any good?

29 May 2021, 20:59	#12
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	I'm considering the same device So, no, I don't have the first-hand experience, but everywhere I look people are happy with it and recommend it.

30 May 2021, 08:35	#14
lilwshu Registered User Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: UK Posts: 243	Similarly I haven’t seen any actual reviews of the D520, only a few similar looking people that appear when it’s mentioned - at the price I don’t know why anyone would buy one compared to something like an Indivision (maybe dislike of opening the case or many Amigas).

30 May 2021, 20:44	#16
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Ok, I won't reiterate my experiences here, since I'm a similar looking person and own a D520. Go find my opinion elsewhere on this forum if you're interested. :-D

31 May 2021, 10:18	#18
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	I didn't try paint programs specifically, as I can't imagine how the choice of software would make a difference in the image quality. But PAL/NTSC modes work fine and look sharp. I can take a photo of the picture and run a few different pieces of software later today if I remember.

01 June 2021, 00:08	#20
mathop Registered User Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Nijmegen / Netherlands Posts: 25	I was very impressed with the D520, here's a video (ignore the compression artifacts) [ Show youtube player ] D520 is a bit pricy though, I would think any RGB-to-HDMI adapter would work, although perhaps with some lag, but if you're running DP4 instead of games that could be tolerable.

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