Working image of Second Samurai demo (Amiga Format 51a)

antonvaltaz · 06 October 2011, 16:02

I've tried both of the ADFs on the file server (in /Collection/Coverdisk/Amiga Format) and the ADF from AMR, but can't get either to work with any WinUAE config - A500, A600, A1200 at different compatibility settings.

It's a copy-protected disk (i.e. it appears in Workbench as 'DF0:NDOS') so I guess it would have to be an extended ADF or an IPF (except I can't request IPFs here, so forget I mentioned it...)

s2325 · 06 October 2011, 16:34

Can you see some error?

antonvaltaz · 06 October 2011, 16:46

Well I get a screen like the one attached (but scrolling) or sometimes it's just red and blie vertical lines, depends on the config settings.

s2325 · 06 October 2011, 16:48

Sometimes it's sign to change disks, what is on disk 51b?

antonvaltaz · 06 October 2011, 16:51

A demo of Skidmarks and TurboPrint 2. That one is a standard AmigaDOS disk, and there's nothing on it relating to this as far as I can see.

I get the weird screen just a couple of seconds after starting the emulation. I've looked at the relevant coverdisk pages - they are scanned in on AMR - but there are no special instructions.

s2325 · 06 October 2011, 16:53

I can try this evening if you need but results may be the same.

antonvaltaz · 06 October 2011, 16:55

Thanks, it's worth a go if that's alright.

s2325 · 06 October 2011, 16:59

If it's after few seconds and not later I think it's something in bootblock, not startup-sequence. Or maybe it's a copy and result is just weird lines.

s2325 · 06 October 2011, 19:18

Sorry but I have same effect with my configurations with WinUAE 1.6.0

Graham Humphrey · 06 October 2011, 19:23

For what its worth, I remember having this very disk when I was younger (not anymore though) and it eventually decided to stop working, getting the same red and blue vertical lines as you describe. Also a (cracked) copy of the full game did much the same thing so I think it's merely a corrupt disk image.

antonvaltaz · 06 October 2011, 21:41

Okay, thanks for trying s2325. Well, I'll keep on hoping someone has it. I'm trying to recreate my old coverdisk collection and so far this is the only one I can't get hold of.

(Interestingly Fiath's post from years back here suggests that someone did dump it for SPS but it was never released, but I don't want to sail too close to the wind here in terms of talking about IPFs on EAB!)

BarryB · 12 November 2011, 18:32

I dug mine out of my collection of original AF disks and this works on my A1200, checked it with X-Copy and it's just a plain DOS disk, no files, so ADF'd it with transdisk on my A1200, copied it to my PC and tried it on WinUAE and it won't work, same problem as post #3!!

Tried various combinations of A500, Rom 1.2/1.3, CHIP/FAST Ram and also A1200 but still won't boot! Has Toni had a look at this by any chance?

Galahad/FLT · 12 November 2011, 18:41

Its copy protected, more than likely using the same John Twiddy disk format as Aladdin, Cool Spot etc.

Hidden information in the gap which means to a copier it looks like a normal AmigaDOS disk, simply replacing the loader for a standard sector loader will bypass this useless copyprotection, or simply hack the loader to remove the internal check.

BarryB · 12 November 2011, 21:15

Yep, you're right Galahad!

I just did a DOSCOPY with X-Copy and the copy exhibits the same type of failure while loading on my A1200. Tried NIBBLE mode and the copy now works, just have to disable CPU caches on bootup to stop the graphics glitches.

Unfortunately my HDD on my A1200 has just died and I can't try anything else, like use NIBWARB and then copy it back to an ADF on WinUAE!! Now I've got to mess about trying to recover my HDD

antonvaltaz · 12 November 2011, 22:10

@BarryB - sorry to hear about your A1200.

Would be great if you were able to get this on to a usable ADF for WinUAE though!

BarryB · 12 November 2011, 22:55

Well I managed to get a nibwarp image over to my PC using a Workbench 3 disk, 2 drives and a few CLI utils. Fired up WinUAE but nibwarp didn't seem to want to write to my blank ADF in DF0:? It went through the process of writing but the ADF was still blank?

Can nibwarp actually write back files to an ADF under WinUAE??

prowler · 12 November 2011, 23:01

Won't it copy to an extended ADF (~2MB)?

BarryB · 12 November 2011, 23:05

Dunno, never used that format before? Better go find out how!!

prowler · 12 November 2011, 23:11

WinUAE allows you to create and then mount a blank extended ADF.

Hint: Select Floppy drives under Hardware in the GUI, and then hit the 'Create Custom Disk' button.

BarryB · 12 November 2011, 23:29

Darn, saw that in Floppy Disk options and never twigged!! Anyway, it still won't work. It copied it to the extended ADF but still has the same failure on loading, so nibwarp didn't copy over the protection. To verify I wrote the nibwarped image back to a disk on my A1200 and it wouldn't load, so Galahad is right, it has some copy protection that can't be transfered to an ADF.

I couldn't get TSGUI working on my A1200, it just hung at the Read disk box and wouldn't read the disk. Might try rawread next, and another beer

06 October 2011, 16:02	#1
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Working image of Second Samurai demo (Amiga Format 51a) I've tried both of the ADFs on the file server (in /Collection/Coverdisk/Amiga Format) and the ADF from AMR, but can't get either to work with any WinUAE config - A500, A600, A1200 at different compatibility settings. It's a copy-protected disk (i.e. it appears in Workbench as 'DF0:NDOS') so I guess it would have to be an extended ADF or an IPF (except I can't request IPFs here, so forget I mentioned it...)

12 November 2011, 23:11	#19
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	WinUAE allows you to create and then mount a blank extended ADF. Hint: Select Floppy drives under Hardware in the GUI, and then hit the 'Create Custom Disk' button. Last edited by prowler; 12 November 2011 at 23:19. Reason: Added hint.

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06 October 2011, 16:34	#2
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Can you see some error?

06 October 2011, 16:46	#3
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Well I get a screen like the one attached (but scrolling) or sometimes it's just red and blie vertical lines, depends on the config settings. Attached Thumbnails

06 October 2011, 16:48	#4
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Sometimes it's sign to change disks, what is on disk 51b?

06 October 2011, 16:51	#5
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	A demo of Skidmarks and TurboPrint 2. That one is a standard AmigaDOS disk, and there's nothing on it relating to this as far as I can see. I get the weird screen just a couple of seconds after starting the emulation. I've looked at the relevant coverdisk pages - they are scanned in on AMR - but there are no special instructions.

06 October 2011, 16:53	#6
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	I can try this evening if you need but results may be the same.

06 October 2011, 16:55	#7
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Thanks, it's worth a go if that's alright.

06 October 2011, 16:59	#8
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	If it's after few seconds and not later I think it's something in bootblock, not startup-sequence. Or maybe it's a copy and result is just weird lines.

06 October 2011, 19:18	#9
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Sorry but I have same effect with my configurations with WinUAE 1.6.0

06 October 2011, 19:23	#10
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	For what its worth, I remember having this very disk when I was younger (not anymore though) and it eventually decided to stop working, getting the same red and blue vertical lines as you describe. Also a (cracked) copy of the full game did much the same thing so I think it's merely a corrupt disk image.

06 October 2011, 21:41	#11
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	Okay, thanks for trying s2325. Well, I'll keep on hoping someone has it. I'm trying to recreate my old coverdisk collection and so far this is the only one I can't get hold of. (Interestingly Fiath's post from years back here suggests that someone did dump it for SPS but it was never released, but I don't want to sail too close to the wind here in terms of talking about IPFs on EAB!)

12 November 2011, 18:32	#12
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	I dug mine out of my collection of original AF disks and this works on my A1200, checked it with X-Copy and it's just a plain DOS disk, no files, so ADF'd it with transdisk on my A1200, copied it to my PC and tried it on WinUAE and it won't work, same problem as post #3!! Tried various combinations of A500, Rom 1.2/1.3, CHIP/FAST Ram and also A1200 but still won't boot! Has Toni had a look at this by any chance?

12 November 2011, 18:41	#13
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	Its copy protected, more than likely using the same John Twiddy disk format as Aladdin, Cool Spot etc. Hidden information in the gap which means to a copier it looks like a normal AmigaDOS disk, simply replacing the loader for a standard sector loader will bypass this useless copyprotection, or simply hack the loader to remove the internal check.

12 November 2011, 21:15	#14
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Yep, you're right Galahad! I just did a DOSCOPY with X-Copy and the copy exhibits the same type of failure while loading on my A1200. Tried NIBBLE mode and the copy now works, just have to disable CPU caches on bootup to stop the graphics glitches. Unfortunately my HDD on my A1200 has just died and I can't try anything else, like use NIBWARB and then copy it back to an ADF on WinUAE!! Now I've got to mess about trying to recover my HDD

12 November 2011, 22:10	#15
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	@BarryB - sorry to hear about your A1200. Would be great if you were able to get this on to a usable ADF for WinUAE though!

12 November 2011, 22:55	#16
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Well I managed to get a nibwarp image over to my PC using a Workbench 3 disk, 2 drives and a few CLI utils. Fired up WinUAE but nibwarp didn't seem to want to write to my blank ADF in DF0:? It went through the process of writing but the ADF was still blank? Can nibwarp actually write back files to an ADF under WinUAE??

12 November 2011, 23:01	#17
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Won't it copy to an extended ADF (~2MB)?

12 November 2011, 23:05	#18
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Dunno, never used that format before? Better go find out how!!

12 November 2011, 23:29	#20
BarryB Amigaholic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 4,676	Darn, saw that in Floppy Disk options and never twigged!! Anyway, it still won't work. It copied it to the extended ADF but still has the same failure on loading, so nibwarp didn't copy over the protection. To verify I wrote the nibwarped image back to a disk on my A1200 and it wouldn't load, so Galahad is right, it has some copy protection that can't be transfered to an ADF. I couldn't get TSGUI working on my A1200, it just hung at the Read disk box and wouldn't read the disk. Might try rawread next, and another beer

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