Workbench 3.1 and Cloanto 3.x ROM issues

camsoft2000 · 01 May 2020, 21:30

So I recently bought a Colanto 3.x ROM to update my 1.2 ROM that came with my Amiga 500, but I'm having a real headache with Workbench 3.1.

On booting Workbench, I just get a blank screen and the title bar. Having Googled for hours this seems to be because the ROM doesn't include the workbench.library file and the recommendation is copying it to the boot disk.

I'm using a Gotek and the Workbench3.1 disk doesn't have enough space for workbench.library. I tried creating a new disk and copy all the files but it still doesn't have space for everything.

This is really frustrating and I'm at a loss to what to do.

It appears the ROM doesn't have enough space for the required workbench.library and the boot floppy disk doesn't have enough space either.

I've purchased Amiga Forever Plus to get the ADF files for Workbench hoping they would have the missing library but they don't.

Given I don't have an HDD of any kind, literally a Gotek and physical floppy I'm at a loss to how to boot into workbench.

Help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

duga · 01 May 2020, 23:26

Get a 3.1 ROM instead, or get a HDD controller and a hard drive and put the library on the HDD. Or be happy with 1.2.

enigma776 · 02 May 2020, 02:45

I used this with winuae but it should work for real hardware

https://gigofham.com/post/2018/07/01-amiga-3x-install/

camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 09:27

I bought the 3.x ROM because I plan to add persistent storage in future and wanted to run newer workbench and most importantly add more chip ram using a Gary adaptor which isn’t supported by my original 1.2 Kickstart ROM.

I could have bought Kickstart 1.3 ROM but then I’m limited in versions of workbench that I can run. Going for a later Kickstart gives me some backwards compatibility. I thought!

What’s the cheapest way to add persistent storage? I’m just wary of shelling out £150+ for an accelerator which is kind of more expensive than the Amiga itself.

Thanks.

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camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma776

I used this with winuae but it should work for real hardware

https://gigofham.com/post/2018/07/01-amiga-3x-install/

Thanks for this, looks promising I’m going to give this a go!

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ma693541 · 02 May 2020, 09:46

@duga, first of all it's very hard and nearly impossible to get a real Kickstart 3.1 ROM nowadays. @camsoft2000, why don't you try to make an packed Workbench disk using the XPK packager, so you can get the Workbench.library on the disk. It will boot slower than an unpacked disk. It's many year's since I used XPK, so this is only the little advice I can give you.

camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma693541

@duga, first of all it's very hard and nearly impossible to get a real Kickstart 3.1 ROM nowadays. @camsoft2000, why don't you try to make an packed Workbench disk using the XPK packager, so you can get the Workbench.library on the disk. It will boot slower than an unpacked disk. It's many year's since I used XPK, so this is only the little advice I can give you.

That’s good advice I hadn’t considered compression. Thanks!

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TjLaZer · 02 May 2020, 10:16

That is why I hate these new ROMs that omit the workbench.library. I won't run them as I like to boot from disks. Even on my specced out A4000 with 060 I won't run it. I run the standard 3.1 and it works well. Just put a 3.1 in your 500.

camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 10:18

That’s good to know. Wish I had known this before shelling out for the 3.x ROM. Also the Kickstart ROM versioning thing is a mess. Totally confusing to the new to Amiga folk like me.

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thomas · 02 May 2020, 10:29

It might be possible to load workbench.library into memory with LoadModule from one disk and then boot with another disk.

http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download/
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule

camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

It might be possible to load workbench.library into memory with LoadModule from one disk and then boot with another disk.

http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download/
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule

Interesting, would I use the boot without startup sequence to get to AmigaDOS and then issue these commands?

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enigma776 · 02 May 2020, 13:33

I have a 3X boot disk that I made using the above link if you wish to save some time, although I am unsure if I am allowed to share it.

thomas · 02 May 2020, 13:54

Here is a small boot disk. It contains only workbench.library, LoadModule and Startup-Sequence, all from publicly available locations.

Insert it when the Kickstart animation appears. Wait until it's done loading, then insert your Workbench 3.1 disk and press Ctrl-A-A to reboot.

BippyM · 02 May 2020, 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by camsoft2000

Thanks for this, looks promising I’m going to give this a go!

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camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Here is a small boot disk. It contains only workbench.library, LoadModule and Startup-Sequence, all from publicly available locations.

Insert it when the Kickstart animation appears. Wait until it's done loading, then insert your Workbench 3.1 disk and press Ctrl-A-A to reboot.

That’s amazing, thank you so much!

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camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Here is a small boot disk. It contains only workbench.library, LoadModule and Startup-Sequence, all from publicly available locations.

Insert it when the Kickstart animation appears. Wait until it's done loading, then insert your Workbench 3.1 disk and press Ctrl-A-A to reboot.

This works perfectly thank you!

Mikerochip · 02 May 2020, 18:02

Since you have a Gotek, couldn't you just make a HD 1760KB disk, and copy the WB and .library on to it, and boot?

camsoft2000 · 02 May 2020, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikerochip

Since you have a Gotek, couldn't you just make a HD 1760KB disk, and copy the WB and .library on to it, and boot?

I guess I could if I had thought of it. Thanks for the suggestion. Might give that a go too. Does the Gotek have to be configured for HD disks or can I mix DD and HD ADF files.

demolition · 02 May 2020, 18:46

Depends on your config, but if you are using FF, then I think that the default setting will set the type automatically.

01 May 2020, 21:30	#1
camsoft2000 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 51	Workbench 3.1 and Cloanto 3.x ROM issues So I recently bought a Colanto 3.x ROM to update my 1.2 ROM that came with my Amiga 500, but I'm having a real headache with Workbench 3.1. On booting Workbench, I just get a blank screen and the title bar. Having Googled for hours this seems to be because the ROM doesn't include the workbench.library file and the recommendation is copying it to the boot disk. I'm using a Gotek and the Workbench3.1 disk doesn't have enough space for workbench.library. I tried creating a new disk and copy all the files but it still doesn't have space for everything. This is really frustrating and I'm at a loss to what to do. It appears the ROM doesn't have enough space for the required workbench.library and the boot floppy disk doesn't have enough space either. I've purchased Amiga Forever Plus to get the ADF files for Workbench hoping they would have the missing library but they don't. Given I don't have an HDD of any kind, literally a Gotek and physical floppy I'm at a loss to how to boot into workbench. Help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Last edited by camsoft2000; 01 May 2020 at 21:36.

02 May 2020, 09:27	#4
camsoft2000 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 51	Workbench 3.1 and Cloanto 3.x ROM issues I bought the 3.x ROM because I plan to add persistent storage in future and wanted to run newer workbench and most importantly add more chip ram using a Gary adaptor which isn’t supported by my original 1.2 Kickstart ROM. I could have bought Kickstart 1.3 ROM but then I’m limited in versions of workbench that I can run. Going for a later Kickstart gives me some backwards compatibility. I thought! What’s the cheapest way to add persistent storage? I’m just wary of shelling out £150+ for an accelerator which is kind of more expensive than the Amiga itself. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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01 May 2020, 23:26	#2
duga Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 528	Get a 3.1 ROM instead, or get a HDD controller and a hard drive and put the library on the HDD. Or be happy with 1.2.

02 May 2020, 02:45	#3
enigma776 Bringer of Death Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Peterborough, UK Age: 40 Posts: 434	I used this with winuae but it should work for real hardware https://gigofham.com/post/2018/07/01-amiga-3x-install/

02 May 2020, 09:46	#6
ma693541 Computer Wizard Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ramberg/Norway Posts: 928	@duga, first of all it's very hard and nearly impossible to get a real Kickstart 3.1 ROM nowadays. @camsoft2000, why don't you try to make an packed Workbench disk using the XPK packager, so you can get the Workbench.library on the disk. It will boot slower than an unpacked disk. It's many year's since I used XPK, so this is only the little advice I can give you.

02 May 2020, 10:16	#8
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	That is why I hate these new ROMs that omit the workbench.library. I won't run them as I like to boot from disks. Even on my specced out A4000 with 060 I won't run it. I run the standard 3.1 and it works well. Just put a 3.1 in your 500.

02 May 2020, 10:18	#9
camsoft2000 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Brighton, UK Posts: 51	That’s good to know. Wish I had known this before shelling out for the 3.x ROM. Also the Kickstart ROM versioning thing is a mess. Totally confusing to the new to Amiga folk like me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02 May 2020, 10:29	#10
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	It might be possible to load workbench.library into memory with LoadModule from one disk and then boot with another disk. http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download/ http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule

02 May 2020, 13:33	#12
enigma776 Bringer of Death Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Peterborough, UK Age: 40 Posts: 434	I have a 3X boot disk that I made using the above link if you wish to save some time, although I am unsure if I am allowed to share it.

02 May 2020, 18:02	#18
Mikerochip Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ireland Posts: 304	Since you have a Gotek, couldn't you just make a HD 1760KB disk, and copy the WB and .library on to it, and boot?

02 May 2020, 18:46	#20
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	Depends on your config, but if you are using FF, then I think that the default setting will set the type automatically.

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