Startup-sequence using a lot of Fast Ram

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 12:16

Hi,
I have a CDTV with 8MB Fast and I now have an ACE2b 2MB chip,
If i load Workbench from floppy i have nearly the total amount of memory available but if i boot from my custom CD it is using over 2MB of fast ram.
There is only 13k in use in my ram drive and the only process running in status is workbench.
I am wondering if there is something in my startup-seuence that could be causing this (I do have decigel enabled as i have a 68010 but this should only use a few k and i could disable it as i use whdload)):

RMTM
FailAt 21
C:Version >NIL: exec.library 45 20
If WARN
C:SetPatch QUIET
Else
C:Version >NIL: C:SetPatch 44 16
If WARN
C:SetPatch QUIET
Else
C:SetPatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET
EndIf
EndIf

C

ecigel
C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15

C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE

Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS

OSDrivers/~(#?.info)

IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
EndIF

C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s"
Execute T:M
C

elete >NIL: T:M
EndIF

Sys:TinyLauncher.exe

SetEnv Language "english"
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
C:IPrefs
C:ConClip

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

C:LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:

daxb · 09 February 2021, 13:13

Just add some "avail fast >ram:mem.log" lines in your S-S and maybe U-S to see where the memory is eaten.

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 14:26

Thanks I will try that

Torti-the-Smurf · 09 February 2021, 15:52

How about that (just for testing; also, there where typos in the startup-sequence) hope that helps you. greetings, Torti

;RMTM
;FailAt 21
;C:Version >NIL: exec.library 45 20
;If WARN
;C:SetPatch QUIET
;Else
;C:Version >NIL: C:SetPatch 44 16
;If WARN
;C:SetPatch QUIET
;Else
C:SetPatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET
;EndIf
;EndIf

;Cecigel
C:Version >NIL:
;C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15

C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE

Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV
Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards
Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS/DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)

IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
EndIF

C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s"
Execute T:M
Delete >NIL: T:M
EndIF

;Sys:TinyLauncher.exe

SetEnv Language "english"
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
C:IPrefs
C:ConClip

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

C:LoadWB
EndCLI >NIL:

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 16:00

Thank you, i will definitely have a look at this

Torti-the-Smurf · 09 February 2021, 16:26

Also, check the size of the ENV Folder in RAM:
Is it big ?

It´s the same as ENVARC: that is located in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive

and will be copied in the beginning of the Start-Sequence to RAM:

Anyway, i put the Startup-sequence with the modified ENV: for you to download and to terst. maybe the ENV: is just to big. Hope that helps

Torti-the-Smurf · 09 February 2021, 16:54

So,here it is the "optimized" version . hope that helps. - Its just a start, you can always change and reedit. Greetings, Torti

Amiga1992 · 09 February 2021, 18:31

It could probably be Setpatch.

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 18:35

Great, i'll try these and let you know how I get on - thanks for all the help!

Torti-the-Smurf · 09 February 2021, 18:38

I had never a Startup-Sequence in my life without Setpatch.
(At least when i want to load into a WB setup)

It is an essential programm that is in every WB Startup-Sequence for a reason.
(At least in a serious Startup-Sequence)

But you can try, why not.

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 21:37

Looks like this must be a cdtv issue as when i use the new startup it still shows as 6MB Fast in the cdtv and 8MB if i run it on a 500+
I'll keep looking into this...

ScottC2010 · 09 February 2021, 21:47

Is there a good program that works like task manager in Windows? - maybe it would be useful to see what is actually using the memory when i run in cdtv mode (I am using the same settings as for the 500+ (2MB Chip and 8MB Fast)

FOL · 09 February 2021, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottC2010

Is there a good program that works like task manager in Windows? - maybe it would be useful to see what is actually using the memory when i run in cdtv mode (I am using the same settings as for the 500+ (2MB Chip and 8MB Fast)

What about HDD buffers?
If they are setup high, they will eat RAM.

zipper · 09 February 2021, 23:18

http://aminet.net/util/boot/startmem.lha

ScottC2010 · 10 February 2021, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

What about HDD buffers?
If they are setup high, they will eat RAM.

There is no hdd in the CDTV I have but can you let me know where the buffer settings are as it may apply to cdrom, thanks

gulliver · 10 February 2021, 05:53

If you are using the CDTV Extended ROM v2.30 this an unfortunate side effect.

According to my tests under certain conditions there is a loss of 2MB fastmem.

Using the CDTV Extended ROM v2.7 does not present that issue.

To check which CDTV Extended ROM version you have, just boot your CDTV with no disk and when the boot intro is displayed, where the rocks are shown, in a tiny font you will see the CDTV Extended ROM version number.

FOL · 10 February 2021, 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottC2010

There is no hdd in the CDTV I have but can you let me know where the buffer settings are as it may apply to cdrom, thanks

Sorry as you were talking about startup-sequences, I assumed you were using HDD.

ScottC2010 · 10 February 2021, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Sorry as you were talking about startup-sequences, I assumed you were using HDD.

That's ok

I am wondering if the cdrom buffer then could be causing a memory address conflict as it uses about 80k as cache especially now that i have the 2MB Chip as well as the 8MB Fast - I will look first at what is using the memory with the program provided to me - maybe using a log and running it in winuae (I have managed to replicate my problem exactly in that by running a 500+ and also a cdtv with the same config except i boot the 500+ from a folder and the cd from an iso created from the folder (The folder is a wb3.1 with whdload and also the RMTM and CDTV.TM files you need)

FOL · 10 February 2021, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottC2010

That's ok

I am wondering if the cdrom buffer then could be causing a memory address conflict as it uses about 80k as cache especially now that i have the 2MB Chip as well as the 8MB Fast - I will look first at what is using the memory with the program provided to me - maybe using a log and running it in winuae (I have managed to replicate my problem exactly in that by running a 500+ and also a cdtv with the same config except i boot the 500+ from a folder and the cd from an iso created from the folder (The folder is a wb3.1 with whdload and also the RMTM and CDTV.TM files you need)

How are you making the disc's. ISOCD?
If so, then you can alter buffers when creating ISO. I reduced it to 2, for Rise Of The Robots (custom disc). It would not run, if it could not get full RAM, so reducing buffers while creating ISO solved that.

Its not an issue, as you can remove buffers / add buffers from CLI commands.

ScottC2010 · 10 February 2021, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

How are you making the disc's. ISOCD?
If so, then you can alter buffers when creating ISO. I reduced it to 2, for Rise Of The Robots (custom disc). It would not run, if it could not get full RAM, so reducing buffers while creating ISO solved that.

Its not an issue, as you can remove buffers / add buffers from CLI commands.

Yes, I'm using ISOCD. This very useful, thank you i will try this too!

09 February 2021, 12:16	#1
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Startup-sequence using a lot of Fast Ram Hi, I have a CDTV with 8MB Fast and I now have an ACE2b 2MB chip, If i load Workbench from floppy i have nearly the total amount of memory available but if i boot from my custom CD it is using over 2MB of fast ram. There is only 13k in use in my ram drive and the only process running in status is workbench. I am wondering if there is something in my startup-seuence that could be causing this (I do have decigel enabled as i have a 68010 but this should only use a few k and i could disable it as i use whdload)): RMTM FailAt 21 C:Version >NIL: exec.library 45 20 If WARN C:SetPatch QUIET Else C:Version >NIL: C:SetPatch 44 16 If WARN C:SetPatch QUIET Else C:SetPatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET EndIf EndIf Cecigel C:Version >NIL: C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15 C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards Assign >NIL: REXX: S: Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER BindDrivers C:Mount >NIL: DEVSOSDrivers/~(#?.info) IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly EndIF C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info\|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s" Execute T:M Celete >NIL: T:M EndIF Sys:TinyLauncher.exe SetEnv Language "english" SetEnv Workbench $Workbench SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart UnSet Workbench UnSet Kickstart C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET C:IPrefs C:ConClip Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities IF EXISTS S:User-Startup Execute S:User-Startup EndIF Resident Execute REMOVE Resident Assign REMOVE C:LoadWB EndCLI >NIL:

09 February 2021, 15:52	#4
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,058	How about that (just for testing; also, there where typos in the startup-sequence) hope that helps you. greetings, Torti ;RMTM ;FailAt 21 ;C:Version >NIL: exec.library 45 20 ;If WARN ;C:SetPatch QUIET ;Else ;C:Version >NIL: C:SetPatch 44 16 ;If WARN ;C:SetPatch QUIET ;Else C:SetPatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET ;EndIf ;EndIf ;Cecigel C:Version >NIL: ;C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15 C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards Assign >NIL: REXX: S: Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER BindDrivers C:Mount >NIL: DEVS/DOSDrivers/~(#?.info) IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly EndIF C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info\|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT "DEVS:Monitors/%s" Execute T:M Delete >NIL: T:M EndIF ;Sys:TinyLauncher.exe SetEnv Language "english" SetEnv Workbench $Workbench SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart UnSet Workbench UnSet Kickstart C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET C:IPrefs C:ConClip Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities IF EXISTS S:User-Startup Execute S:User-Startup EndIF Resident Execute REMOVE Resident Assign REMOVE C:LoadWB EndCLI >NIL: Last edited by Torti-the-Smurf; 07 September 2022 at 20:47.

09 February 2021, 16:00	#5
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Thank you, i will definitely have a look at this Last edited by ScottC2010; 09 February 2021 at 16:02. Reason: Spotted the typos

09 February 2021, 16:26	#6
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,058	Also, check the size of the ENV Folder in RAM: Is it big ? It´s the same as ENVARC: that is located in SYS:Prefs/Env-Archive and will be copied in the beginning of the Start-Sequence to RAM: Anyway, i put the Startup-sequence with the modified ENV: for you to download and to terst. maybe the ENV: is just to big. Hope that helps Last edited by Torti-the-Smurf; 07 September 2022 at 20:46.

09 February 2021, 16:54	#7
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,058	So,here it is the "optimized" version . hope that helps. - Its just a start, you can always change and reedit. Greetings, Torti Last edited by Torti-the-Smurf; 07 September 2022 at 20:47.

09 February 2021, 13:13	#2
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	Just add some "avail fast >ram:mem.log" lines in your S-S and maybe U-S to see where the memory is eaten.

09 February 2021, 14:26	#3
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Thanks I will try that

09 February 2021, 18:31	#8
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	It could probably be Setpatch.

09 February 2021, 18:35	#9
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Great, i'll try these and let you know how I get on - thanks for all the help!

09 February 2021, 18:38	#10
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,058	I had never a Startup-Sequence in my life without Setpatch. (At least when i want to load into a WB setup) It is an essential programm that is in every WB Startup-Sequence for a reason. (At least in a serious Startup-Sequence) But you can try, why not.

09 February 2021, 21:37	#11
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Looks like this must be a cdtv issue as when i use the new startup it still shows as 6MB Fast in the cdtv and 8MB if i run it on a 500+ I'll keep looking into this...

09 February 2021, 21:47	#12
ScottC2010 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Leamington Spa / Warwickshire Posts: 532	Is there a good program that works like task manager in Windows? - maybe it would be useful to see what is actually using the memory when i run in cdtv mode (I am using the same settings as for the 500+ (2MB Chip and 8MB Fast)

09 February 2021, 23:18	#14
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,837	http://aminet.net/util/boot/startmem.lha

10 February 2021, 05:53	#16
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	If you are using the CDTV Extended ROM v2.30 this an unfortunate side effect. According to my tests under certain conditions there is a loss of 2MB fastmem. Using the CDTV Extended ROM v2.7 does not present that issue. To check which CDTV Extended ROM version you have, just boot your CDTV with no disk and when the boot intro is displayed, where the rocks are shown, in a tiny font you will see the CDTV Extended ROM version number.

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