Games You Wished Had Null-Modem Support

Twiggy · 01 June 2019, 10:37

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what people thought of games that'd benefit the most from having null-modem support.

Two that spring to mind are Dune II and Civilization, what does everyone else think?

lordofchaos · 01 June 2019, 13:05

Duel Test Drive II would have been cool with a link option, and Hired Guns

Wow, there's a thought. System link of Hired Guns?, damn! One can dream.

-Acid- · 01 June 2019, 13:08

F1GP would have been amazing, The Settlers as well with 4 players would have been mental.

ReadOnlyCat · 01 June 2019, 18:44

Any game with two players support would benefit from it, really.

If only controller data gets transmitted between the two computers, the size of that data is all enough that there would be no latency at all and no need for a master computer. Both machines would maintain the same exact game state in parallel.

Of course, for that to work, the games need to be fully deterministic but most games of that era are.

I would bet that this could even be an addition to WHDLoad setups: add serial link support.

Minuous · 01 June 2019, 22:41

Got no one to play Amiga games with anymore so over the internet would be the only possible way now anyway :-(

DamienD · 01 June 2019, 23:06

Same

Angus · 01 June 2019, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

Got no one to play Amiga games with anymore so over the internet would be the only possible way now anyway :-(

I believe there was a program that emulated a serial connection over the internet. I heard it mentioned, never tracked it down. Telser.device? Anyway, Carrier Command, and Steel Empire. :-)

Twiggy · 02 June 2019, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReadOnlyCat

Any game with two players support would benefit from it, really.

Well yes. I was expecting an answer like that. I was hoping "benefit the most" would be enough to limit people's answers to a handful of games, those that were crying out for that support to make the game immeasurably more enjoyable.

Good point all the same.

Predseda · 02 June 2019, 22:33

Subwar 2050

malko · 02 June 2019, 23:11

Difficult to name some games...
All racing games for sure (like here)

Hewitson · 03 June 2019, 12:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordofchaos

Duel Test Drive II would have been cool with a link option

The idea is cool but realistically the game already ran far too slowly on the Amiga. A link option would have made the framerate even worse.

theq · 03 June 2019, 16:34

Sensible Soccer and a multiplayer deathmatch of Cannon Fodder

lordofchaos · 03 June 2019, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hewitson

The idea is cool but realistically the game already ran far too slowly on the Amiga. A link option would have made the framerate even worse.

It's slightly better running in ntsc. Not sure how some simple local network code would slow things down much, small packets of info.. Optimised games like lotus 2 didn't seem to slow down much.. Stunt car racer? Did that have a link?

Predseda · 03 June 2019, 17:30

Of course, Stunt car racer can be even linked in Amiga-ST setup.

lordofchaos · 03 June 2019, 17:34

@Predseda Cool. I missed out on that experience. Remember linking Falcon with Atari St > Amiga.. Makes me laugh that consoles make such a big deal out of it, cross-play been a thing for ages it seems :-)

Anubis · 03 June 2019, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuous

Got no one to play Amiga games with anymore so over the internet would be the only possible way now anyway :-(

Buddy, need to make couple of players... next generation...

As for games with null-modem - wth is null modem?

005AGIMA · 04 June 2019, 05:07

F18 Interceptor.

Instantly springs to mind.

Me and a mate used to play F16 Combat Pilot, but come on....F18 was just so easy to pick up. Instant fun would have been had.

Even better if it had co-op missions, as well as PvP.

A10 Tank Killer on PC/Mac is the closest "ease of play" Flight sim I can think of, and has a somewhat F18 feel to it.

DamienD · 04 June 2019, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 005AGIMA

A10 Tank Killer on PC/Mac is the closest "ease of play" Flight sim I can think of, and has a somewhat F18 feel to it.

It's also on the Amiga

... A-10 Tank Killer
... A-10 Tank Killer Version 1.5
... A-10 Tank Killer Extra Missions

Anubis · 04 June 2019, 13:41

Now I wonder how come I never tried it...

005AGIMA · 05 June 2019, 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

It's also on the Amiga

... A-10 Tank Killer
... A-10 Tank Killer Version 1.5
... A-10 Tank Killer Extra Missions

Oh...well there ya go!

Not for original 500? Is that right? EDIT: Sorry is OCS as well

By the time I played it on PC and Mac, I was running a Pentium, and my mates machine was the original iMac, so around the time of the G3s at a guess?

We played LAN from Mac to PC which was cool.

It's 1 of 2 games I ever played on a MAC lol.

01 June 2019, 10:37	#1
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lordofchaos TinkerTailorContentMaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bedfordshire Age: 45 Posts: 1,205	Duel Test Drive II would have been cool with a link option, and Hired Guns Wow, there's a thought. System link of Hired Guns?, damn! One can dream.

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ReadOnlyCat Code Kitten Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Montreal/Canadia Age: 52 Posts: 1,178	Any game with two players support would benefit from it, really. If only controller data gets transmitted between the two computers, the size of that data is all enough that there would be no latency at all and no need for a master computer. Both machines would maintain the same exact game state in parallel. Of course, for that to work, the games need to be fully deterministic but most games of that era are. I would bet that this could even be an addition to WHDLoad setups: add serial link support.

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DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Same

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Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Subwar 2050

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malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,856	Difficult to name some games... All racing games for sure (like here)

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theq Registerdeaded abUser Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Beyond the Wall Age: 46 Posts: 114	Sensible Soccer and a multiplayer deathmatch of Cannon Fodder

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Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,539	Of course, Stunt car racer can be even linked in Amiga-ST setup.

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lordofchaos TinkerTailorContentMaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bedfordshire Age: 45 Posts: 1,205	@Predseda Cool. I missed out on that experience. Remember linking Falcon with Atari St > Amiga.. Makes me laugh that consoles make such a big deal out of it, cross-play been a thing for ages it seems :-)

04 June 2019, 05:07	#17
005AGIMA Re-loading. Please wait. Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Perth, Australia & England Age: 49 Posts: 472	F18 Interceptor. Instantly springs to mind. Me and a mate used to play F16 Combat Pilot, but come on....F18 was just so easy to pick up. Instant fun would have been had. Even better if it had co-op missions, as well as PvP. A10 Tank Killer on PC/Mac is the closest "ease of play" Flight sim I can think of, and has a somewhat F18 feel to it.

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Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,058	Now I wonder how come I never tried it...

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