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DOES NOT HELP!....me. Indeed. I have no attitude Chucky. I have money ready to support the project. Isn't that what is needed to make it more broadly available? |
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Meanwhile I enjoy mine..
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Well Chucky, sounds to me like this whole thing is a non-issue then. We've solved it.
Stephen doesn't need my(our) financial support to bring the TF1260 product forward because he doesn't want to really. And since Stephen is only doing the TF1260 for himself for fun as a hobby, it's just a tease and does nothing for us or the scene in the end. It's not a product we can buy, nothing to see here, move on. Nice that he'll have the 060 in his system. I hope the trapdoor closes. I guess I'll look for the performance in free emulators instead for now. Conclusion: I just saved some money I was going to spend on an 68060 setup I absolutely don't need for absolutely anything. I will continue to enjoy my 020/030 based systems...and I'll live! If all goes well, perhaps that other company that caused the TF1260 to not be released will release a 1260 instead and they'll get my money? I don't discriminate Chucky! First to deliver a product gets a shot at the money - simple rules. Only so many empty expansion bays left. WARP is still in the running for one of those empty bays...if they ever reply to the order email. |
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The sense of entitlement you are conveying here is overwhelming.
Honestly, who cares? Design and fabricate your own 1260 card, or like you say, find someone else willing to take your money. Quite why you feel the need to whine on here is completely beyond me. Given that TF never did this for profit anyway, and only left the scene because of the conduct of some of its members, I'm sure it's of little consequence to him what you think. And as you may have gathered, there are only a very small number of these boards "in the wild". The chances of you getting your hands on one with patter like that are incredibly remote... A. |
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it was not a tease. but when people sytarted to demand and fuck around. it became a tease..
people must understand things: you cannot DEMAND stuff if people do things. sure you can ASK.. it is all about how it is handled. would I handle it different? yes. do I accept how it is: YES at is HIS project he do whatever he like to. sad it ended like it did: absolutley. and there us no COMPANY. it is PERSONS.. it is not a PRODUCT. it is a PROJECT.. a HOBBYproject. Let me repeat: IT IS NOT A COMPANTY! most of this ISN'T and this is also something people have an issue with.. people have day jobs, family etc. they do this stuff on their spare time. and it consumes ALOT of energy. and Warpguys maybe not answer mails. I understand. I miss MANY mails as I can get flooded.. and some people do not take a "no" for an answer in the end better just put away for later.. stop demanding! some questions yes. DEMAND. no. again: there is no company, there is no product. there is just a fun idea. do too much fuzz about it and the fun ends and it suddenly becomes a burden. |
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Oh, I see...so this is a "na na na...I have one, you don't kind of a thing"?
I do see a lot of this need to feel special through some rare piece of hardware on this Amiga scene. It's quite funny to me really. You know what, you've convinced me Chucky - I won't buy ay 68060 - going to be special by not having the 68060. I mean...what would I do with it? Play DOOM - the game that contributed to death of Amiga itself? At 30 FPS? I'm starting to think anyone who plays DOOM on Amiga is paying tribute to the very game that contributed to the death of one of the most friendly computers ever!. I deleted this garbage game from all my WHDLoads! |
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play games? nah. I am a demoscener so I run demos on my TF.. and my Warp (to be honest. my 1200 is right now equipped with my warp)
reason why I got both: I did not demand. I did DiagROM that helped developing those products and got able to get my hands on this project as I HELPED THEM. never demanded anything. |
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(but the hangover the warp deal costed me. I am not sure if it was worth it )
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DiagROM have helped soo many so. I am quite happy with my part of that.
and if someone does a project that my stuff helped them with. I am happy" and if theu think: nah this is for me. then so be it. sad? yes! but still so be it |
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Ah, now we're getting to see what the real problem is. You believe that someone should automatically go out of their way to help you, for no reason other than your sense of self importance. Well, to be honest, from what I've seen, you don't appear to be a very important person at all, and you've certainly put me off every helping you. Quote:
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Did you get all the way through building it with just a couple of minor, in your own words, tweaks but that it was already in the hands of a few people? Did you then turn around and say that you'd never finish it and you'd changed your mind because someone was excited and asked you about it on the internet? I can respect Stephens decision but I cannot help but be frustrated at it, especially as he keeps open sourcing things and then deleting them which is completely against the ethos. The blow back from doing it though was always going to be a massive sense of disappointment. Before you say anything, yes I have multiple open source projects, and contribute to others. There were lots of people cheering him on, hoping that he'd succeed, and as evidenced by Chucky's card he did... It feels very much like a few ruined it for everyone, and that's upsetting, it's letting the few ruin it for the many. I am glad that he got what he wanted from it, and I have a TF330 and TF328 which I love, but I was really hoping to get the other cards too. You can drop the whole "he didn't ask for support" rubbish, he posted about it, announced them, made a youtube channel, sold them, etc. Of course people supported him and his efforts. |
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the point of all that was when you start a conversation, like these threads, showing what you're doing it is not done without getting something back. What you get back is support, and what you have created is excitement/enthusiasm/interest in what you are doing. The idea is that it encourages and supports the person creating the thing by showing that there is interest. So no, there is nothing concrete, no formal agreement, but if you think there isn't trust being broken, or a social agreement that isn't being adhered too then you seem to be willfully misunderstanding peoples frustrations. This was my point about my open source projects, I wasn't expecting you to reply to it. It's there because i wanted to frame the conversation so that you can see that the points I'm making are based on being annoyed at Stephens repeated deletion of his open source work, and that when you open source something you get the benefit of that support from a community even if it's only verbal/enthusiasm for what you do. Also I wasn't creating the drama, I'm trying to explain to you what you seem to be misunderstanding about others frustrations. The way you responded to YouKnowWho, and then to me, has been really condescending. I don't want this thread to continue, but when people come in and ask about something, or are annoyed about it being canned then please don't be so dismissive of their feelings because it does not improve things. |
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Anyway if there's a moderator lurking around maybe it's time for this thread to be closed/locked?
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The only drama I see is from yourself. TF has made their decision clear thanks to greedy and unscrupulous people ripping off his designs and generally badmouthing him he ahs suspended all work as the disadvantages outweigh the benefits. Foot stomping temper tantrums like this are not the way to change his mind. You want an 060 accelerator your Amiga well as you pointed out there are plenty of alternatives out there I'm pretty sure the amount of fucks that TF gives about this can be counted on the fingers of a multiple amputee. |
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