Problems burning Kickstart - Page 9

Jope · 10 January 2008, 21:17

Hmm, read this thread and the accompanying documents to romsplit and remus. That'll get you quite far.

spotUP · 11 January 2008, 02:11

it must be said that the docs for remus and romsplit is in great need of an update. i had to ask questions on different forums and stuff to get this far.
i'll see about a how to when i have a 100% working kickstart.

Zetr0 · 11 January 2008, 02:28

@spoUP

Awesome, good luck on getting an 100% working rom

Toni Wilen · 13 January 2008, 15:54

Attached is 64-bit compatible io.dll wrapper I wrote few days ago. If for some reason you want to create KS EPROMs and only have 64-bit Windows

Replace old io.dll (same directory as eprom programmer software) with wrapper version in archive. Install TVicPort (http://entechtaiwan.com/dev/port/index.shtm). Done.

Tested with 0.98D8 software version on Vista x64.

17 January 2008, 00:52

Hello,
if i like to burn kickstart 1.3 or 2.0 should I use Swap Byte function? I try to use 29F800 chip to make 1.3/3.1 kickstart switch (1.3 from $00000 to $7FFFF and 3.1 from $80000 to $FFFFF).
br, monol

DrF · 17 January 2008, 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by monol

Hello,
if i like to burn kickstart 1.3 or 2.0 should I use Swap Byte function? I try to use 29F800 chip to make 1.3/3.1 kickstart switch (1.3 from $00000 to $7FFFF and 3.1 from $80000 to $FFFFF).
br, monol

Are you trying to put 2 ROMs in 1 chip?
While space wise I guest this is possible, I have not seen it done so far, would be very interesting to me at least

Toni Wilen · 17 January 2008, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by monol

if i like to burn kickstart 1.3 or 2.0 should I use Swap Byte function?

Byte swapping is always required.

Quote:

I try to use 29F800 chip to make 1.3/3.1 kickstart switch (1.3 from $00000 to $7FFFF and 3.1 from $80000 to $FFFFF).

This is imo easiest way to do Kickstart switch. (Do not connect highest address pin to Amiga MB, connect it to ground via 10k or so resistor, add switch that connects it to +5v. Or something similar. There is something in my CDTV 1M EPROM hack post)

chaoticjelly · 04 March 2008, 05:32

Hi guys, I bought some EPROMs advertised as "27C400 HN27C4000G" and they arrived and are HN27C4000G.

I have tried to program these, they seem to program OK, but give errors when verifying.

When I try and read the original Kickstart ROMs they seem to read OK..

I have tried to progra, the HN27C4000G with settings for 27C400. Software version is 0.97ja, and I am using a Willem 4.1 programmer.

Pretty sure I have all the jumpers set correctly.

I've tried different computers, and checked the BIOS parallel port settings amongst other things..

The two times the EPROMs programmed correctly, I tried in the A1200 and just a black screen.. nothing, zip, zilch, nada.

I have looked at the datasheet for HN27C4000G and it looks the same, description wise and pinout wise as 27C400.

However I have read on other sites that 27C4000 is an equivalent to 27C040, which does not appear to be a 16-bit EPROM in fact an 8-bit one?

Or is HN27C4000G a special type?

I am fairly frustrated to say the least and now I am determined to get this working, so any advice will be gratefully received.. cheers in advance..

coze · 04 March 2008, 06:02

HN27C4000G should work ... erase and try again. how many did you buy ? when I buy roms from china usually 1 in 5 (or 4 ?) turns out to be faulty. I hope you bought some.

coze · 04 March 2008, 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Attached is 64-bit compatible io.dll wrapper I wrote few days ago. If for some reason you want to create KS EPROMs and only have 64-bit Windows

I just installed 32 bit windows on a seperate partition and I'm seeing this

great job though, thanks !

chaoticjelly · 04 March 2008, 06:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by coze

HN27C4000G should work ... erase and try again. how many did you buy ? when I buy roms from china usually 1 in 5 (or 4 ?) turns out to be faulty. I hope you bought some.

Thanks very much for your suggestion coze!

I have erased the chips, programmed again and now they work perfectly!

It seems our vendor friend did not erase them properly

thanks again!

chaoticjelly · 04 March 2008, 10:21

Actually no it doesn't work.

After a few seconds the kickstart screen appears, when I put a disk in nothing happens, the disk drive is constantly spinning at a very low speed.

coze · 04 March 2008, 10:38

do they pass verification ?

chaoticjelly · 04 March 2008, 10:42

I think I know the problem.

I have trashed this A1200.

Before I got the EPROMs to work, I reinserted the old Kickstart ROMs, but I inserted them starting from pin 1 of the sockets that were already there.

They got very hot and I turned the A1200 off. The old Kickstart ROMs are broken, and I guess that the floppy controller in the A1200 or some other components are damaged..

coze · 04 March 2008, 10:48

my condolences ... it happened to me once too, when I first got my A1200. In my case it wasn't the floppy, but the internal expansion slot was blown off (it didn't recognise any boards attached). Sometimes it's possible to save the A1200 if you switched off quickly (only roms are trashed in that case).

chaoticjelly · 04 March 2008, 10:54

Hmm.. I have checked the board and "Paula" near the floppy drive is pretty hot.

Also "Alice" is a bit hot too..

Damn, I'm screwed.. looks like its bin time.

coze · 04 March 2008, 11:04

if CIAs are fine they may be of use to some A4000 owner with burnt CIAs.

Zetr0 · 09 March 2008, 19:34

Now that seems like a serious problem :/

I do hope that gets sorted soon.

I have a Willem 4.5pcb, and i am trying to create a multi kickstart rom, in the manner that Toni mentioned earlier,

I have about a dozen M27C800 -120F ST D88AA 9714F UV EPROM's

Now i erased them with a loving UV suntan for 35 minutes

I then tested that they were erased under the 27C800 setting and it reports back the device is blank

(whoot say I)

However when i write to the eeprom it either fails to write or writes utter garbage

heres a nice pic (yes any excuse for hardware pron!!!)

pretty isn't she

However i could use some help on the dip configuration as i think this is where am going wrong with this setting.

on the 27c4000 dip setting it fails to write at all, and on the 27c800 it just writes garbage.

I am also hoping to use two of these in the A1200 so i could have a 1MB custom bootrom, and KS3.1 and 3.0 selectable on the click of a switch

but i would need to sus out how to write to them... any ideas welcome

coze · 09 March 2008, 19:47

now that's strange. I have the same willem (4.5, my PCB is red though

) and I wrote some 27c800's in the past without any problem ...

Chain · 10 March 2008, 11:32

I will recommend good external 12V PSU for programming eproms. I had some issues too with usb power (garbage data)

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10 January 2008, 21:17	#161
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,916	Hmm, read this thread and the accompanying documents to romsplit and remus. That'll get you quite far.

11 January 2008, 02:11	#162
spotUP Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Age: 46 Posts: 430	it must be said that the docs for remus and romsplit is in great need of an update. i had to ask questions on different forums and stuff to get this far. i'll see about a how to when i have a 100% working kickstart.

11 January 2008, 02:28	#163
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@spoUP Awesome, good luck on getting an 100% working rom

17 January 2008, 00:52	#165
monol Posts: n/a	Hello, if i like to burn kickstart 1.3 or 2.0 should I use Swap Byte function? I try to use 29F800 chip to make 1.3/3.1 kickstart switch (1.3 from $00000 to $7FFFF and 3.1 from $80000 to $FFFFF). br, monol

04 March 2008, 05:32	#168
chaoticjelly Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK - Lancs Age: 39 Posts: 80	Hi guys, I bought some EPROMs advertised as "27C400 HN27C4000G" and they arrived and are HN27C4000G. I have tried to program these, they seem to program OK, but give errors when verifying. When I try and read the original Kickstart ROMs they seem to read OK.. I have tried to progra, the HN27C4000G with settings for 27C400. Software version is 0.97ja, and I am using a Willem 4.1 programmer. Pretty sure I have all the jumpers set correctly. I've tried different computers, and checked the BIOS parallel port settings amongst other things.. The two times the EPROMs programmed correctly, I tried in the A1200 and just a black screen.. nothing, zip, zilch, nada. I have looked at the datasheet for HN27C4000G and it looks the same, description wise and pinout wise as 27C400. However I have read on other sites that 27C4000 is an equivalent to 27C040, which does not appear to be a 16-bit EPROM in fact an 8-bit one? Or is HN27C4000G a special type? I am fairly frustrated to say the least and now I am determined to get this working, so any advice will be gratefully received.. cheers in advance..

04 March 2008, 06:02	#169
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	HN27C4000G should work ... erase and try again. how many did you buy ? when I buy roms from china usually 1 in 5 (or 4 ?) turns out to be faulty. I hope you bought some.

04 March 2008, 10:21	#172
chaoticjelly Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK - Lancs Age: 39 Posts: 80	Actually no it doesn't work. After a few seconds the kickstart screen appears, when I put a disk in nothing happens, the disk drive is constantly spinning at a very low speed.

04 March 2008, 10:38	#173
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	do they pass verification ?

04 March 2008, 10:42	#174
chaoticjelly Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK - Lancs Age: 39 Posts: 80	I think I know the problem. I have trashed this A1200. Before I got the EPROMs to work, I reinserted the old Kickstart ROMs, but I inserted them starting from pin 1 of the sockets that were already there. They got very hot and I turned the A1200 off. The old Kickstart ROMs are broken, and I guess that the floppy controller in the A1200 or some other components are damaged..

04 March 2008, 10:48	#175
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	my condolences ... it happened to me once too, when I first got my A1200. In my case it wasn't the floppy, but the internal expansion slot was blown off (it didn't recognise any boards attached). Sometimes it's possible to save the A1200 if you switched off quickly (only roms are trashed in that case).

04 March 2008, 10:54	#176
chaoticjelly Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK - Lancs Age: 39 Posts: 80	Hmm.. I have checked the board and "Paula" near the floppy drive is pretty hot. Also "Alice" is a bit hot too.. Damn, I'm screwed.. looks like its bin time.

04 March 2008, 11:04	#177
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	if CIAs are fine they may be of use to some A4000 owner with burnt CIAs.

09 March 2008, 19:34	#178
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Now that seems like a serious problem :/ I do hope that gets sorted soon. I have a Willem 4.5pcb, and i am trying to create a multi kickstart rom, in the manner that Toni mentioned earlier, I have about a dozen M27C800 -120F ST D88AA 9714F UV EPROM's Now i erased them with a loving UV suntan for 35 minutes I then tested that they were erased under the 27C800 setting and it reports back the device is blank (whoot say I) However when i write to the eeprom it either fails to write or writes utter garbage heres a nice pic (yes any excuse for hardware pron!!!) pretty isn't she However i could use some help on the dip configuration as i think this is where am going wrong with this setting. on the 27c4000 dip setting it fails to write at all, and on the 27c800 it just writes garbage. I am also hoping to use two of these in the A1200 so i could have a 1MB custom bootrom, and KS3.1 and 3.0 selectable on the click of a switch but i would need to sus out how to write to them... any ideas welcome

09 March 2008, 19:47	#179
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	now that's strange. I have the same willem (4.5, my PCB is red though ) and I wrote some 27c800's in the past without any problem ...

10 March 2008, 11:32	#180
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	I will recommend good external 12V PSU for programming eproms. I had some issues too with usb power (garbage data)

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