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In worst case scenario, the Vampire even without P96 is the most powerful accelerator at an affordable price. Letting actions of others ruin your expirience seems a bit odd. Who cares what others do or say? |
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we will see... but this was the last response to you from me, it just sucks in meantime |
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I feared already that the word propagandize wasn`t a good choice by me and too generalizing. So please ignore it. On the other hand I never wrote that you ""propagandize" some evil thing". Thats your interpretation. I think nobody here would like if we discuss about posts from another forum and I wouldn`t like it. Maybe its a good idea if I stop now.
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because even thor finally admitted, that his consideration about opening the sources of p96 upon some bounty/crowd founding campain might not be as dangerous as he initially portrayed that. the thing is, now is probably too late. Last edited by wawa; 24 May 2016 at 18:34. |
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I've spent the last year battling with f**king cancer and that is depressing enough without all the drama around my favourite platform. I don't care about the Vampire right now, this is about P96 and the future of Amiga RTG. You, me and everyone else SHOULD care what happens about it, and if there is going to be a replacement. |
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compared to that RTG and P96 are not that important |
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Forums are seldomly good for transmitting exchanges, because the tone and intent usually gets lost in the words. IRC is better since there you get clarification if you misunderstand something. Another thing; I usually just read the posts, and doesnt really care what they say unless its someone with solid facts, and not like most of us; speculation. Anyhow, good luck with recovery from cancer. Get well mate! |
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Thanks. I'm OK now I think as far as the Cancer is concerned, just some nasty after affects from the radio therapy. I can get rather grumpy from it!
Radiation poisoning isn't very nice, I can tell you! Back to the point though, it just really gets my back up when someone tries to bring something good to our Amiga's and the greed and desist crowd step in to try and stop it. It's always the same culprits too so their agenda is quite clear. I can really see Olafs point where he says he feels like walking away from it all, he's not on his own. The thing is, where do the greed and desist crowd think there money is coming from after they cause everyone to leave? It makes no sense whatsoever! |
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Man, this thread is a pleasure to read isn't it.. Here's my own long, pointless and incoherent rant. Enjoy. :-)
Before the announcement of HDMI output on the Vampire, how many A500, 600, 1200 owners cared about P96? Now, it seems, we are at the dawn of the battle for the Amiga 68k's RTG future... Talk about a storm in a tea cup. To whoever it applies: wake up folks, every single user of Amiga 68k is also using some kind of superior technology to get actual work done, be it a modern computer or a smartphone. NO ONE *needs* their Amiga to do any sort of commercial stuff. Stop seeing it as a cow you can milk long after it died. If you still feel you are the rightful owner of the tech, by all means, make it easy to license this 20 years old Tech.. PayPal for a license key thanx, why not. But then suddenly someone shows up and triggers the ugly debate for the last week or so.. Hmm.. Why would anyone after 20 years (but just shortly after Vampire adopts it as standard driver) suddenly anounce the plan to buy the p96 license (as opposed to any other "solution") and threaten with legal action instead of simply asking for a small license fee for this ancient piece of code? To what end..? well... I have noooo idea who that could be ;-) Who has something to lose if Vampire becomes a success? Who is selling products that compete with Vampire? Who knows, right? But then it is clear that there are other ways to do this. And the result is that the community gets more fragmented by the minute. Who benefits from that? The whole old A500-1200, CD32 community who doesnt own a Vampire don't give a crap about P96. Once the AGA emulation is done, the SAGA driver might not need P96 or any other official RTG driver, so this move for hijacking P96 only buys some time and alienates part of the community. Great long term strategy... The truth is out there. But why is it hiding in the shadows... Skickat från min HTC One via Tapatalk |
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It has the aroma of 1994 - with a touch of Mehdi Ali stirring the cauldron!
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This isn't just about the Vampire though, it's about anything that uses RTG on the Amiga.
I agree the post arrived at a opportunistic time from suspected party as not only the Vampire, but also Matze's RTG card and the Zorro RTG card from mntmn have also just become available. Either P96 or some workable replacement is required, and if some party's make it too difficult to use P96 I don't think it would be long before a replacement appeared. |
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now. we are caring about these issues.. ocassionally.. dont we? i just fired up my a4k to see how that comes along with what i have proposed to heiroglyph as an entry point, to start with a replacement considerations, and beyond one or two known issues its fine. im not your positive guy, that shall be known so far, but i have made my choices sd soon as i reailzed the implications of policies, amiga community is ridden with and im positive a solution will be found. perhaps rather later than sonner, but the way is the goal. right? |
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+1 I agree to you... you only forget one thing that RTG is not only important for Vampire but also FPGA Arcade, any current or future fpga based graphic card and so on. So controlling it gives some power to you. On the other side you risk of course alienating parts of the community. |
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I have been keeping up with the posts on amiga.org from heiroglyph, and I agree it is the way to go I think. Best of luck. I'm just grateful that there is still people passionate enough about the Amiga to make things like this happen as it is beyond my skills to do so. I will keep watching and anticipating a breakthrough. |
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Bugger! I just went to mntmn's site to purchase one of his RTG cards and his first batch has sold out already, will have to wait now.
It goes to show though that the demand is there. |
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he has only been advertsed it on a1k so far i know. it was taken immediatelly. but this is an early adopters version, development batch. in case it succeeds others will follow, a bit more expensive as it seems, but im glad there is interest to contribute. lukas sounds like a pretty cool guy, and is imho another valuable member won for the community. actually i have a feeling we are growing, not shrinking, at lest here in berlin.
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