new amiga 500 doom like !

[BSzili]

I love the art direction!

[rothers]

Will the game have multiple level floors or is it just too taxing on the A500? I saw the demo with them but wondered what the status currently is with the changes?

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by rothers

Will the game have multiple level floors or is it just too taxing on the A500? I saw the demo with them but wondered what the status currently is with the changes?

Remains to be seen. Variable floors feature is (almost) ready but not published yet. The big showstopper for the moment is no support for objects (i.e. enemies, items e.t.c.). And besides that the new engine is also not optimised yet, which means a bit worst overal performance vs current engine on the same room config (so f.e. if I had to redo the same flat level with the new engine, it would perform worst vs the old one even if no variable heights were used).

So to sum up, Grind will transition to variable heights as soon as the new engine is complete. If the new engine comes but performs much worse I'd have to make a decision call. And I'd probably go with what allows better complexity and detail with lower cost.

[d4rk3lf]

@Tsak.
I'll say it again... Amazing job mate.

Love that you created version of the textures for lamps that are shining on it, and love clever using of 2D pillars for 3D ceilings of the houses... Overall atmosphere is great.
I am very impressed with the creative design of some medieval corridors, corners.. etc..

Try to convince KK to help you have some (at least) small rpg/adventure elements in it : ) Very simple invertory.. talking with NPC's (that could be in the houses), taking quests...

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

@Tsak.
I'll say it again... Amazing job mate.

Love that you created version of the textures for lamps that are shining on it, and love clever using of 2D pillars for 3D ceilings of the houses... Overall atmosphere is great.
I am very impressed with the creative design of some medieval corridors, corners.. etc..

Try to convince KK to help you have some (at least) small rpg/adventure elements in it : ) Very simple invertory.. talking with NPC's (that could be in the houses), taking quests...

Geez, as much as I'd definitely love those it would be really difficult to add for sure...
It will be a struggle to finish even the most basic things already, like f.e. currently there is no level progression system, or there is no way to load assets on demand. Plus new enemies will need to be added and configured, bosses, other basic level mechanincs e.t.c. And then there's also the matter music/sfx and variable heights. So quite a lot of important stuff before even start worrying about any extras.

[Gzegzolka]

Looks awesome

[d4rk3lf]

Originally Posted by Tsak

Geez, as much as I'd definitely love those it would be really difficult to add for sure...
It will be a struggle to finish even the most basic things already, like f.e. currently there is no level progression system, or there is no way to load assets on demand. Plus new enemies will need to be added and configured, bosses, other basic level mechanincs e.t.c. And then there's also the matter music/sfx and variable heights. So quite a lot of important stuff before even start worrying about any extras.

Got it, bro.
However, here is what I was thinking (not insisting that I am right... or anything... just giving an example, and asking if possible maybe)
Keys are already implemented right? You find Red, Blue, Yellow key, and use it to open Red, Blue, Yellow doors...

Now let's just call keys some different names, and use it in Grind game:
Red Key = 30 Gold
Blue Key = medicine
Yellow Key = Herbs
Ok.. so.. In order to pass some (exit) door and progress into the next level you need 50 gold for the guard to let you pass (you don't need to see the guard, it can be shown just with simple image and text (or just text). So you wander around the level, and find some NPC's (again, you don't need to see them, it can be simple approaching to some house door, pressing space, and new screen with image and text appear), where cute girl npc tells you that she can't spare any gold, but if you go to some other npc healer house, and bring her a medicine (Blue Key) for her sick grandpa, she can give you 30 gold coins (Red Key)... Ok, so you go and search a healer (meanwhile fighting some wolfs that appeared on the streets), and after you find a healer, he tells you that he can't make medicine, unless he have a herb for it (Yellow Key) . He used to gets herbs by himself, but now that territory is occupied by nasty goblins.
Sight... .. ok.. I'll go.
You go there, fight the goblins, get the herb, and find additional 20-30 coins (it can be represented as 2-3 coins pickup (each worth 10 coins).. you then go back to healer, he give you medicine, you bring it to pretty girl, get the gold, and go to bribe the guard to let you to the next level.

I know this sounds much much easier then do.. and I know a much more important stuff needs to be sorted out first.
(btw I might complicated things too much with (additional) gold... it can be simply single bottle of wine that you will use to bribe the guard)

Just wanted to give an example...

[Tsak]

Originally Posted by d4rk3lf

Got it, bro.
However, here is what I was thinking (not insisting that I am right... or anything... just giving an example, and asking if possible maybe)
Keys are already implemented right? You find Red, Blue, Yellow key, and use it to open Red, Blue, Yellow doors...

Now let's just call keys some different names, and use it in Grind game:
Red Key = 30 Gold
Blue Key = medicine
Yellow Key = Herbs
Ok.. so.. In order to pass some (exit) door and progress into the next level you need 50 gold for the guard to let you pass (you don't need to see the guard, it can be shown just with simple image and text (or just text). So you wander around the level, and find some NPC's (again, you don't need to see them, it can be simple approaching to some house door, pressing space, and new screen with image and text appear), where cute girl npc tells you that she can't spare any gold, but if you go to some other npc healer house, and bring her a medicine (Blue Key) for her sick grandpa, she can give you 30 gold coins (Red Key)... Ok, so you go and search a healer (meanwhile fighting some wolfs that appeared on the streets), and after you find a healer, he tells you that he can't make medicine, unless he have a herb for it (Yellow Key) . He used to gets herbs by himself, but now that territory is occupied by nasty goblins.
Sight... .. ok.. I'll go.
You go there, fight the goblins, get the herb, and find additional 20-30 coins (it can be represented as 2-3 coins pickup (each worth 10 coins).. you then go back to healer, he give you medicine, you bring it to pretty girl, get the gold, and go to bribe the guard to let you to the next level.

I know this sounds much much easier then do.. and I know a much more important stuff needs to be sorted out first.
(btw I might complicated things too much with (additional) gold... it can be simply single bottle of wine that you will use to bribe the guard)

Just wanted to give an example...

He, he, new set must be a real teaser ain't it?
I know what you mean though. To some extend yes, these things should be possible, especially swapping keys with different gfx (something like that is already planned btw so we will have more varying level objectives rather than the standard straight forward key-hunt).

However adding text is a completely different story. Basically early on we had planned for on-screen messages per Doom's style (mostly for picking up stuff
e.t.c.) but this feature got buried fast below other piorities. I even had the font ready. Perhaps someday

[utri007]

I like what I see, but it make me wonders if there is too much ideas, so that one of them would actually materialize as a complete game?

I would hope to see some Doom levels ported to this, so that there would be like a Shareware Doom's levels.

[Adropac2]

this is all quite staggering to behold. I'm liking the new showing

[Predseda]

Originally Posted by gimbal

Love it. Like this you'd be able to create Darkmere in 3D. Or the intro of Wrath of the Demon

Yeah, exactly. I was thinking what this reminds me and it is indeed Darkmere!

[Jacques]

I hope Grind stays pure FPS with no RPG elements and gets finished while we live There's already Legends of Valour and yes, those new gfx remind a darker LoV quite a lot

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by Jacques

I hope Grind stays pure FPS with no RPG elements and gets finished while we live There's already Legends of Valour and yes, those new gfx remind a darker LoV quite a lot

Is an engine so with the proper tweaks you can do everything with it

[Tsak]

Darkemere VS Grind VS Legends of Valour

[nikosidis]

Simply whow TSAK Don't have words.

[Neil79]

Grind - The very latest news for the upcoming Amiga 500/ST Doom like experience!
https://www.indieretronews.com/2022/...shots-for.html

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Tsak

Darkemere VS Grind VS Legends of Valour

Doing Darkmere in 3D ? mmmh lovely !

[tomcat666]

How about releasing some later Dread demo out to the general public now ?

[paul1981]

I've only ever played the first Dread demo. Like tomcat666 says, it'd be nice to play a more recent offering.

[Tsak]

Well, these maps are sort of "soft released" already as they are available at KK's Dread source drop on Github.

As for an official release, the only (fully playable/release worthy) demos are my "Big map remake" and KK's "Eye enemy/waste" level. We were thinking to release the Big map as the second official demo basically. I'm planning to rework this map again and bring it again up to date, but as part of a showcase for Grind. This and the current city themed map (I'm working on), are possible candidates for a public demo release (so the most recent offering indeed).