Downloading Amiga games legally - Page 7

Loedown · 23 March 2009, 23:28

Greetings,
I would hazard a guess, that the RIAA / Copyright Police are going to be far more interested in going after the MP3 sharers and alike, far more than a group of people sharing software that is no longer manufactured and in some cases has become freeware. My personal stance is, I will share anything that I have, unless it's personal and make it available for others to download and share, if I violate any terms of THIS site, then a Mod will ask me to take it down, or remove it on my behalf. If a case went to court, the judge would most likely;

A. Never have heard of an Amiga.
B. Realise pretty quickly that the machine is obsolete.
C. Flip the bird to the RIAA guy, tell them to fuck off and stop wasting court time with trivialities.

For any company, apart from the obvious Cloanto / etc, who are still making or supporting releases, then fair enough, if you use it, buy it.

Paul

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin

No; I am simply saying why are you trying to bully people to stop distributing software that you have already illegally sold to others, thereby infringing freeware rights that explicitly state that the software should not be sold?

The german law say that i can make a cd and sell it for 2 Euro.

Quote:

By admitting that you would remove software that the authors objected to, your argument lost all credibility, since before that statement, you claimed that you had all of the required permissions through "Tony".

I think that is game, set and match, as far as I am concerned; now all you have to do is to try to convince us that black is actually white....

No. I dont would make any Users trouble. Wehn the User say it, i delete it. The german law say ists ok, but i delete it.

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 10:45

Nice to be given the chance to remove something before someone forcibly shuts your site down huh.

If only we all had that luxury.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Nice to be given the chance to remove something before someone forcibly shuts your site down huh.

If only we all had that luxury.

you mean the site there release 3 days later again the same fullversion on the web?

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 11:03

Never happened. I'm not an idiot.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Never happened. I'm not an idiot.

You release on your webpage the WHDLoad fullversion of Pinball Brain damage. some days after delete you release again the same fullversion.

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 11:12

Again I'll state 'That never happened'.

Please ensure your facts are correct before you run in with a sledgehammer taking down sites which do more good for the Amiga community than you'll ever do.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Again I'll state 'That never happened'.

ahm, you dont release the pirate copy of Pinball Brain Damage 2x on your webpage?

Sensi · 24 March 2009, 11:15

This is neverending story.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 11:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreasM

ahm, you dont release the pirate copy of Pinball Brain Damage 2x on your webpage?

ahm, wrong...

First it was the pirate copy of Marblelous.

Pinball Brain Damage was later

PWLM · 24 March 2009, 11:21

And pointless to boot. Free, distributable software should not be profited from. Stop, end sentence, finished, build a bridge and get over it.

Again sorry to BuZz I kinda got carried away in the moment, I understand what you meant in your original post. Seriously, anyone making money of Amiga stuff these days is lucky because of how easy it is to find it elsewhere for free. And this forum should be about a single mission: to keep the Amiga culture going in a constructive and enjoyable way. This is exactly the opposite of that. All should just get drunk together, beat each other up and swap girlfriends... all better.

Merlin · 24 March 2009, 11:22

Andreas, you remind me of King Cnut (not sure about the spelling of that name

), the one who ordered the tide not to come in......

As for taking people's software off your CDs that complained, what about the ones you have already sold that had the software on without their permission? Surely you have breached the terms and conditions laid down by the original author, no matter what german law you try to hide behind....

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 11:24

I did indeed host Pinball Brain Damage for about 1 day by accident. You contacted the webhost BEFORE contacting me, giving me NO CHANCE to remove the offending FILE before my host pulled my site.

I NEVER hosted Marblelous on my UPDATE site because as I stated so politely in this post, at the time my site was an UPDATE site which started in 2004, and the Marblelous slave had not been updated since 2001. So I would have never hosted it.

So I stand by my original statement about you and your sledgehammer.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

I did indeed host Pinball Brain Damage for about 1 day by accident. You contacted the webhost BEFORE contacting me, giving me NO CHANCE to remove the offending FILE before my host pulled my site.

right. and some days later was Pinball Brain Damage again online.

and why i contact your hoster so fast? why you dont delete at the first contact what we have with you Marbleous.

i dont see any chance that you cooperate at this moment.

Quote:

I NEVER hosted Marblelous on my UPDATE site because as I stated so politely in this post, at the time my site was an UPDATE site which started in 2004, and the Marblelous slave had not been updated since 2001. So I would have never hosted it.

So I stand by my original statement about you and your sledgehammer.

You hosted the whdload-version of Marblelous. I know that you say every time isnt online. but it was online. we download and start the game.

When you have deleted the is was all ok. but you say no and we contact the hoster.

pmc · 24 March 2009, 11:59

@ Merlin - I have to agree, as a casual reader of this long and circular thread I'd come to the same conclusion: AndreasM is definitely a bit of a cnut.

seuden · 24 March 2009, 12:08

Wow, this is pretty heated. Personally I think it's a shame that people make money from stuff they don't actually own legal or not it's still immoral, then get websites shut down because somebody is making something they own available for free. If I owned a game that was over ten years old I would be amazed that people were still playing it and you can be rest assured that I would allow it to be distributed for free. If it wasn't for the discussion between KG and AndreasM I wouldn't have even heard of the aforementioned games.

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 12:09

AndreasM, make up your mind.

First you say I had Pinball Brain Damage online TWICE.

Then you said you were wrong and it was actually Marblellous once.

Now again you say I hosted Pinball Brain Damage twice.

Get your accusations straight before you start muck flinging.

I did host Pinball Brain Damage ONCE. I never re-hosted it, because I had no intention of ever speaking to you again. That is a FACT.

I have no interest in hosting anything made/owned/claimed to owned by you or your company. Why would I want trouble for myself? Answer me that? I'm not an idiot.

Everytime you contacted me, I removed the offending file (if they were indeed there in the first place). You were the one who forced my site to close despite of this.

So you are the one failing to be cooperative.

Get a grip on reality.

killergorilla · 24 March 2009, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by seuden

If I owned a game that was over ten years old I would be amazed that people were still playing it and you can be rest assured that I would allow it to be distributed for free.

Never a better word said.

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 12:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by seuden

Wow, this is pretty heated. Personally I think it's a shame that people make money from stuff they don't actually own legal or not it's still immoral, then get websites shut down because somebody is making something they own available for free.

We NEVER maked a webpage down with stuff where we dont have the complete Copyright. Example the fullversion what we licenced for the Amiga Future CD or webside.

A Webmaster gets only trouble when he spead illegal copies from our own commercial Software. nothing more

AndreasM · 24 March 2009, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

AndreasM, make up your mind.

First you say I had Pinball Brain Damage online TWICE.

Then you said you were wrong and it was actually Marblellous once.

Now again you say I hosted Pinball Brain Damage twice.

Get your accusations straight before you start muck flinging.

look at the top. i correct me that it was Marblelous at first and not PBD.

Quote:

I have no interest in hosting anything made/owned/claimed to owned by you or your company.

perfect. and we have never any problems.

Quote:

Everytime you contacted me, I removed the offending file (if they were indeed there in the first place). You were the one who forced my site to close despite of this.

no. at the first time you dont delete it (Marblelous) and we contact the hoster that he delete the file. and he delete it.

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23 March 2009, 23:28	#121
Loedown Precious & fragile things Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,946	Greetings, I would hazard a guess, that the RIAA / Copyright Police are going to be far more interested in going after the MP3 sharers and alike, far more than a group of people sharing software that is no longer manufactured and in some cases has become freeware. My personal stance is, I will share anything that I have, unless it's personal and make it available for others to download and share, if I violate any terms of THIS site, then a Mod will ask me to take it down, or remove it on my behalf. If a case went to court, the judge would most likely; A. Never have heard of an Amiga. B. Realise pretty quickly that the machine is obsolete. C. Flip the bird to the RIAA guy, tell them to fuck off and stop wasting court time with trivialities. For any company, apart from the obvious Cloanto / etc, who are still making or supporting releases, then fair enough, if you use it, buy it. Paul

24 March 2009, 10:45	#123
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Nice to be given the chance to remove something before someone forcibly shuts your site down huh. If only we all had that luxury.

24 March 2009, 11:03	#125
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Never happened. I'm not an idiot.

24 March 2009, 11:12	#127
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Again I'll state 'That never happened'. Please ensure your facts are correct before you run in with a sledgehammer taking down sites which do more good for the Amiga community than you'll ever do.

24 March 2009, 11:15	#129
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	This is neverending story.

24 March 2009, 11:21	#131
PWLM He found it at the zoo.. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Townsville / Australia Posts: 151	And pointless to boot. Free, distributable software should not be profited from. Stop, end sentence, finished, build a bridge and get over it. Again sorry to BuZz I kinda got carried away in the moment, I understand what you meant in your original post. Seriously, anyone making money of Amiga stuff these days is lucky because of how easy it is to find it elsewhere for free. And this forum should be about a single mission: to keep the Amiga culture going in a constructive and enjoyable way. This is exactly the opposite of that. All should just get drunk together, beat each other up and swap girlfriends... all better.

24 March 2009, 11:22	#132
Merlin AmiBay MegaMod Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Age: 62 Posts: 1,163	Andreas, you remind me of King Cnut (not sure about the spelling of that name ), the one who ordered the tide not to come in...... As for taking people's software off your CDs that complained, what about the ones you have already sold that had the software on without their permission? Surely you have breached the terms and conditions laid down by the original author, no matter what german law you try to hide behind....

24 March 2009, 11:24	#133
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I did indeed host Pinball Brain Damage for about 1 day by accident. You contacted the webhost BEFORE contacting me, giving me NO CHANCE to remove the offending FILE before my host pulled my site. I NEVER hosted Marblelous on my UPDATE site because as I stated so politely in this post, at the time my site was an UPDATE site which started in 2004, and the Marblelous slave had not been updated since 2001. So I would have never hosted it. So I stand by my original statement about you and your sledgehammer.

24 March 2009, 11:59	#135
pmc gone Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: completely gone Posts: 1,596	@ Merlin - I have to agree, as a casual reader of this long and circular thread I'd come to the same conclusion: AndreasM is definitely a bit of a cnut.

24 March 2009, 12:08	#136
seuden uber cool demi god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kent/England Posts: 2,073	Wow, this is pretty heated. Personally I think it's a shame that people make money from stuff they don't actually own legal or not it's still immoral, then get websites shut down because somebody is making something they own available for free. If I owned a game that was over ten years old I would be amazed that people were still playing it and you can be rest assured that I would allow it to be distributed for free. If it wasn't for the discussion between KG and AndreasM I wouldn't have even heard of the aforementioned games.

24 March 2009, 12:09	#137
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	AndreasM, make up your mind. First you say I had Pinball Brain Damage online TWICE. Then you said you were wrong and it was actually Marblellous once. Now again you say I hosted Pinball Brain Damage twice. Get your accusations straight before you start muck flinging. I did host Pinball Brain Damage ONCE. I never re-hosted it, because I had no intention of ever speaking to you again. That is a FACT. I have no interest in hosting anything made/owned/claimed to owned by you or your company. Why would I want trouble for myself? Answer me that? I'm not an idiot. Everytime you contacted me, I removed the offending file (if they were indeed there in the first place). You were the one who forced my site to close despite of this. So you are the one failing to be cooperative. Get a grip on reality.

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