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If you want to develop "open source", you can do that of course. Go AROS, that's fine with me, but please don't count on me. I would not expect that anything will go "open source" by anyone. AmigaOs was already a minefield when CBM left. With components such as the narrator.device or ARexx. Quote:
So, no matter what you seem to imply: This is not going to happen - not because "nobody wants it enough" but because "there are already more than enough problems", and this does not solve a single one. It creates just more problems - on the legal end, and on the application end. |
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For long-term sustainable development. For the security of any work that's put into the OS. Maybe you're settling for too little, given this:
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OS 3.2 could end up as a dead-end just like OS 3.9. All the post-Commodore source code lost forever, once again. Sorry, but there's no positive spin about existing installations. The devs have plans beyond 3.2 and this would be a truly terrible outcome. Quote:
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Hold on, no. What is required for long-term sustainable development is a stable situation. "Open source" is just a development model, and it does not solve that. Rather, a stable situation would be required to even consider this model. You seem to confuse one with the other. The problem is there already, and it doesn't magically go away by "Open source". Rather the reverse, more problems would need to be solved.
Not sure where the "dead part" is. 3.1.4 already included most of the contributions of 3.9 except reaction. That was solved in 3.2, so we are on-par again. You are again confusing something. No *code* is lost. It's perfectly secure on subversion, with a new and revised build system even. The problem of "who owns the code" does not go away, no matter what the development model is, and *that* is the problem. Not the "is it open source" question. You seem to believe that somehow, somewhat this problem is fixed, just by someone slamming "open source" on it. Quite the reverse. Solving this problem would be *required* to make it open source, but not even this problem, but even more problems, namely get nowadays the agreement of its contributers to make their contributions open source. Instead of solving the problem, you are making the problem worse by dreaming an open-source dream. Quote:
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The situation is certainly far from perfect, but there is something in the hand of the users. If you want to help working on AmigaOs, there is something concrete you can do. Or lament about open source. Well? |
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That's the point - not the specifics of what is open-sourced and how, but how open-source would helped the Amiga community. That doesn't have to mean a rainbows and unicorns pipe-dream. This thread was "what does the Amiga need", someone piped up with this perfectly valid opinion about the need for open-source and you completely dismissed it, saying that there's no need for this aspiration as what we have is fine. That's what I object to. |
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Fine for them if they want to. Not my taste.... However, if you think this is the way to go, by all means, do.
And if a lot more people had supported AmigaOs in the last 20 years... Now, what? "Open source" is not a requirement for that. Personal engangement is. Quote:
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Hence: What the Amiga "community" needs is not "open source", but "people that do instead of talk". See the difference? |
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What does the Amiga community need?
Less fighting. Accept that everyone has differing opinions on what the Amiga is and how it should continue. |
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No, it's not. It was "what do you actually want", and all I personally want is just a stable system that is close to 3.1, mildly updated, for an interesting museum piece with museum software. I already have an open source Os on much capable hardware, thank you, I don't need another less capable system on less capable hardware.
But, again, that's all your choice provided you respect the rights and the will of other developers. |
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But I'm not here to argue about that. I got triggered by your overuse of one of my pet peeves, which is that old "go do something" chestnut. It pops up occasionally in similar arguments and is really getting my dander up for the virtue of being extremely obstinate and unreasonable. Because the obvious implication is that old gits such as myself, who usually have some sort of rather busy family/work life and very little time for the hobby itself as it is, should suddenly drop everything and spend a few years learning coding/design/electronics/etc skills, so they can stop "lamenting" and contribute to some stuff. Stuff which folks like you have talent for and often a lifetime of experience with. It's a totally feasible, making sense scenario, right? I'm sorry, but it's just not going to happen, which is something that you and others using this tedious "argument" know perfectly well. But it also doesn't mean we somehow should lose the right to voice an opinion on a given subject. People contribute to the scene in various ways. Some work on other projects, some spend money, some give feedback, whatever... some don't even do anything but "lament" on forums - and guess what, that's perfectly fine too. It takes all sorts, etc... |
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@dreadnought
You forgot that when you actually contribute same people that complain will 5h17 all over your contribution because does not fit their very high standards of coding/result/quality/etc. But still, i continue to endorse the existence of AROS and its 68k incarnation as plan 'z' if the IP disputes reach a deadlock and to have something that 'kinda work' but cannot be stopped by lawyers that easily; we cannot use the Amiga name of course but for the rest should be clean |
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