Searching for Sherlock Holmes - Consulting Detective CDTV - Page 6

nujack · 07 April 2007, 20:45

Good luck Musashi5150!!!
Would it also be possible to transfer the data via a A570 CD-Rom, which was developed for the A500? Do you know if this CD-Rom supports the same standards like a CDTV-CD-Rom? My oldest CD-Rom is a Mitsumi Triple-Speed and this couldn`t read the Video-Tracks.
Another question. AFAIK you need a copy of the newspaper to solve this game. Has anyone a copy of the 3 pieces of newspaper? Thanks.

Bye

nujack

thor · 07 April 2007, 21:55

My copy of the newspaper is on it's way to England

. Maybe musashi can scan it.

musashi5150 · 08 April 2007, 09:59

We have a good b/w scanner at work... if the newspaper is not colour I'll be happy to scan it.

It may be possible to use an A570, but I don't have one. I was going to use a real CDTV to read the data from the CDROM over a link cable to another machine with a HD. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the video tracks...

Which is why you guys are here to think of a solution

thor · 08 April 2007, 10:50

The newspaper is b/w, for an image see here: http://www.thelegacy.de/Museum/gameG...yID=1997&pos=1

For imaging, as I wrote to you, I would suggest trying to image the tracks with MakeCD and then use a program that creates a cue sheet out of the iso and wav files

fisken uno · 08 April 2007, 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor

For imaging, as I wrote to you, I would suggest trying to image the tracks with MakeCD and then use a program that creates a cue sheet out of the iso and wav files

Sounds like a MUCH better idea yes, since the data track isn't the one making trouble. You can read the data files just fine from the image. But if there was a way to image the tracks separately it would even be possible to make a cue sheet on the PC side.

viddi · 08 April 2007, 11:01

Hey, this could work!

And scanning the newspaper is a fantastic idea as well.

Sorry, that I can´t help you so far...

musashi5150 · 08 April 2007, 19:57

Sounds like an idea... I'll have to use MakeCD on the A4000 though as my CDTV doesn't have a HD. Is MakeCD free? Because I don't have it...

fisken uno · 08 April 2007, 20:01

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=28469&

Read this thread, mister!

thor · 08 April 2007, 21:14

You don't even need to register MakeCD for imaging the 6 tracks. And you could burn it to a CD and then use it on the CDTV.

musashi5150 · 08 April 2007, 21:36

Thanks fisken!

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor

And you could burn it to a CD and then use it on the CDTV.

I could, but with 1mb RAM and no HD where would I image the CD tracks to?

thor · 09 April 2007, 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by musashi5150

I could, but with 1mb RAM and no HD where would I image the CD tracks to?

You can mount your HD on the other computer within sernet, so it appears in the mountlist of your CDTV

fisken uno · 09 April 2007, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by thor

You can mount your HD on the other computer within sernet, so it appears in the mountlist of your CDTV

I don't have any first hand experience from trying but I think I've read that you can use a CD32 as a CD-ROM device for another Amiga (except I don't know why you'd want to in more cases than THIS because it's not a very good optical device really). This ought to be possible with a CDTV as well or am I completely wrong about this? In that case the CD32/CDTV would be mounted on the other Amiga (instead of mounting the HD on the CDTV). But, again, I am not sure if this works or not - or which side is better to work with MakeCD on. All I know is that this has GOT to work some way or the other... Please keep us posted and let us know how you're doing once the disc has arrived, musashi

I'm sure we'll work it out.

nujack · 15 April 2007, 12:36

Any progess in ripping the cd-tracks musashi5150?

musashi5150 · 15 April 2007, 12:37

thor's disc arrived yesterday and has failed to be imaged by: CloneCD, Nero, DiscJuggler, Infinadyne Inspector and Alcohol 120% on the PC.

It has also failed to be imaged by MakeCD running on my A4000.

So I will dig out my 68030 CD32 in the next day or so and try it on that (that's if MakeCD even supports cd.device).

As you said fisken uno it's videotracks 2,3,4 that fail the imaging - datatrack 1 and audiotracks 5,6 are fine.

musashi5150 · 16 April 2007, 19:23

I have now tried the game on my real CDTV and CD32 systems. The game plays fine and shows the video tracks perfectly on my CDTV. The CD32 booted, but got stuck when playing the video tracks.

Conclusion: A real CDTV is the only thing capable of imaging this disc.

Now I will need to find my null-modem cable and hope that MakeCD works on OS1.3

If that fails my last resort is to try and write a small program in C/Assembler that will use cdtv.device to dump the raw tracks over a serial link to another system.

But lets hope that CDTV can run MakeCD...

EDIT: Cable found... it was hiding at the back of my Atari ST

viddi · 16 April 2007, 19:45

Sounds promising!

Thanks for all your efforts.

Josh · 16 April 2007, 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by musashi5150

Now I will need to find my null-modem cable and hope that MakeCD works on OS1.3

No chance, MakeCD requires IMHO min. Kickstart 2.x

Greets Josh

musashi5150 · 16 April 2007, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

No chance, MakeCD requires IMHO min. Kickstart 2.x

I tend to agree with you there. I don't think there is any way on Earth that it's going to work with 1.3

And even if someone had a nice 3.1 upgraded CDTV there is still the problem that MakeCD probably won't work with cdtv.device...

Bugger... what to do...

The only remaining hope then is to try and create some kind of custom dumping software. And even that has to be able to dump via a serial cable to another machine...

I'll start looking into it, but if any of the elites want to ReSource the animplayer of the game I can make the files available... ?

Josh · 17 April 2007, 10:23

@musashi5150:

You're right it wont work with the cdtv.device.

It could be possible on a CDTV like my CDTV to burn CD's with MakeCD on CDTV, because I have a Kickswitch (1.3, 2.05 and 3.1) and a SCSI-Controller. So I could use an external CD-burner with an other device.
But my CDTV only have the problem, there's to less RAM, only the original 1 MB :-(
I'm already search for a working RAM expansion.

Greets Josh

musashi5150 · 17 April 2007, 16:25

I think I might be getting somewhere with this

But I now need to get SERNET up and running so my CDTV can dump to another Amigas hardrive.

If any of you have experience of getting a working SERNET system up (or could even provide me with 2 x bootable floppy) now is the time to come forward

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07 April 2007, 20:45	#101
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 50 Posts: 459	Good luck Musashi5150!!! Would it also be possible to transfer the data via a A570 CD-Rom, which was developed for the A500? Do you know if this CD-Rom supports the same standards like a CDTV-CD-Rom? My oldest CD-Rom is a Mitsumi Triple-Speed and this couldn`t read the Video-Tracks. Another question. AFAIK you need a copy of the newspaper to solve this game. Has anyone a copy of the 3 pieces of newspaper? Thanks. Bye nujack

07 April 2007, 21:55	#102
thor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 899	My copy of the newspaper is on it's way to England . Maybe musashi can scan it.

08 April 2007, 09:59	#103
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	We have a good b/w scanner at work... if the newspaper is not colour I'll be happy to scan it. It may be possible to use an A570, but I don't have one. I was going to use a real CDTV to read the data from the CDROM over a link cable to another machine with a HD. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the video tracks... Which is why you guys are here to think of a solution

08 April 2007, 10:50	#104
thor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 899	The newspaper is b/w, for an image see here: http://www.thelegacy.de/Museum/gameG...yID=1997&pos=1 For imaging, as I wrote to you, I would suggest trying to image the tracks with MakeCD and then use a program that creates a cue sheet out of the iso and wav files

08 April 2007, 11:01	#106
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,015	Hey, this could work! And scanning the newspaper is a fantastic idea as well. Sorry, that I can´t help you so far...

08 April 2007, 19:57	#107
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	Sounds like an idea... I'll have to use MakeCD on the A4000 though as my CDTV doesn't have a HD. Is MakeCD free? Because I don't have it...

08 April 2007, 20:01	#108
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 716	http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=28469& Read this thread, mister!

08 April 2007, 21:14	#109
thor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 899	You don't even need to register MakeCD for imaging the 6 tracks. And you could burn it to a CD and then use it on the CDTV.

15 April 2007, 12:36	#113
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 50 Posts: 459	Any progess in ripping the cd-tracks musashi5150?

15 April 2007, 12:37	#114
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	thor's disc arrived yesterday and has failed to be imaged by: CloneCD, Nero, DiscJuggler, Infinadyne Inspector and Alcohol 120% on the PC. It has also failed to be imaged by MakeCD running on my A4000. So I will dig out my 68030 CD32 in the next day or so and try it on that (that's if MakeCD even supports cd.device). As you said fisken uno it's videotracks 2,3,4 that fail the imaging - datatrack 1 and audiotracks 5,6 are fine.

16 April 2007, 19:23	#115
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	I have now tried the game on my real CDTV and CD32 systems. The game plays fine and shows the video tracks perfectly on my CDTV. The CD32 booted, but got stuck when playing the video tracks. Conclusion: A real CDTV is the only thing capable of imaging this disc. Now I will need to find my null-modem cable and hope that MakeCD works on OS1.3 If that fails my last resort is to try and write a small program in C/Assembler that will use cdtv.device to dump the raw tracks over a serial link to another system. But lets hope that CDTV can run MakeCD... EDIT: Cable found... it was hiding at the back of my Atari ST

16 April 2007, 19:45	#116
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,015	Sounds promising! Thanks for all your efforts.

17 April 2007, 10:23	#119
Josh Lord of Amiga-Manuals Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kassel / Germany Age: 53 Posts: 552	@musashi5150: You're right it wont work with the cdtv.device. It could be possible on a CDTV like my CDTV to burn CD's with MakeCD on CDTV, because I have a Kickswitch (1.3, 2.05 and 3.1) and a SCSI-Controller. So I could use an external CD-burner with an other device. But my CDTV only have the problem, there's to less RAM, only the original 1 MB :-( I'm already search for a working RAM expansion. Greets Josh

17 April 2007, 16:25	#120
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 43 Posts: 2,351	I think I might be getting somewhere with this But I now need to get SERNET up and running so my CDTV can dump to another Amigas hardrive. If any of you have experience of getting a working SERNET system up (or could even provide me with 2 x bootable floppy) now is the time to come forward

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