What's the status of the Cloanto / Hyperion lawsuit?

[TCD]

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Well it depends on what you call a market.

We've had a decade of duplicating Amiga board designs, there's mATX Lisa and various A4000, A4000TX, AA3000+, A500 reloaded (I guess), GBA 1000, in total how many have those been built? Maybe 1000 total?

Wasn't there talk that more than 10,000 Vampire cards were sold? I'm sure somebody can link to the info.

[malko]

Originally Posted by copse

I'd be very surprised if there was ever much of a market for new Amiga computers. I suspect that the retro market and capitalising on the people who look fondly on the past is much more lucrative. The community is doing a great job in creating new solutions like TF and pistorm and so on to cater for the actual viable retro market.

That's my theory anyway.

If someone would be willing to resurect Amithlon to make it work on today's computer (even 10-20 years old one if they are still in use - meaning as well x86 and not only x64), I would support it without doubt.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by TCD

Wasn't there talk that more than 10,000 Vampire cards were sold? I'm sure somebody can link to the info.

Gunnar said that on discord. In any case 1000 would mean the market would be much smaller than the AmigaOS or MorphOS platform. That is nonsense

[pixie]

Originally Posted by kriz

I agree 100% Umpa.. Cloanto (Michael Battilana) have been horrible for the Amiga scene, a true grifter!

You pay for OS3.2, yet developers doesn't get a penny and yet Cloanto who paid for having the Amiga rights are the grifters? They might as well keep doing their pro bono for Cloanto and still Cloanto would be less of a grifter then someone had paid zilch...

But then again you might help me understand

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Umpa

My opinion is Cloanto are doing a great disservice to the Amiga scene. All they want to is sell and own outdated technology whilst at the same time prevent future innovation.

I don't really know how they actually make money selling this stuff, if it were not for them we would have much better Amiga computers. They are like fleas on a dog sucking the life out of it.

That's what I think - your opinion might be different.

Who is hindered to do innovations? Hyperion is not investing money either, I could take your posting and just replacing Cloanto with hyperion and it would be true either. Even worse, they are making money with the work of others. Not a real model for a future. Even if those developers and testers do that voluntary.

[Minuous]

Actually, they did invest money in eg. buying ReAction; some other OS components could have also been re-included in the OS if reasonable terms could have been reached with the companies concerned.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Minuous

Actually, they did invest money in eg. buying ReAction; some other OS components could have also been re-included if reasonable terms could have been reached with the companies concerned.

could have not counts... amiga could have ruled the world if...

Reaction. Yes. What else?

Ben H. has earned a lot more with 3.X updates

Hyperion has access to source codes of 3.1 in opposite to Cloanto. If they have the rights to not only use it for 4.X is part of the legal dispute. But at the moment Hyperion is only option. But appart from that neither Hyperion nor Cloanto is directly investing money in development.

[Minuous]

Originally Posted by OlafSch

Reaction. Yes. What else?

At least it is something. If you want to compare Hyperion against Cloanto, what has Cloanto invested? Practically nothing ever.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Minuous

At least it is something. If you want to compare Hyperion against Cloanto, what has Cloanto invested? Practically nothing ever.

Cloanto has f.e. donated to bounties, in opposite to Hyperion or Ben H.

So you say Hyperion has helped the platform a lot more than Cloanto because of buying the rights to Reaction?

That is not very convincing... finally both are companies and want to make money with it. There is nothing wrong with it to me. But keep that Hyperion are the good and Cloanto are the bad because Hyperion has done so much. That is nonsense.

[pixie]

Originally Posted by Minuous

At least it is something. If you want to compare Hyperion against Cloanto, what has Cloanto invested? Practically nothing ever.

Being that the ownership of the damn thing (ie Amiga) equals to nothing..

[StevenJGore]

Originally Posted by pixie

You pay for OS3.2, yet developers doesn't get a penny and yet Cloanto who paid for having the Amiga rights are the grifters? They might as well keep doing their pro bono for Cloanto and still Cloanto would be less of a grifter then someone had paid zilch...

But then again you might help me understand

I'm pretty certain Kriz was being sarcastic describing Cloanto as grifters.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Minuous

At least it is something. If you want to compare Hyperion against Cloanto, what has Cloanto invested? Practically nothing ever.

As I see it neither Cloanto nor Hyperion will invest money. Mike from Cloanto first talked about open sourcing of 3.1, later tranfering it in a foundation that would control development and earn money with it to finance further development. I can only guess but I assume Cloanto plans, when the lawsuit is won, to earn money with licensing the brand and further selling roms. But Ben H. would also not really invest in further development. Instead he wants to further sell updates that voluntaries offer him for free. A good business model

So I see no bad or good guys here

[Thomas Richter]

Back in 3.1.4 days at the beginning of 3.2 development, part of the 3.1.4 income was actually reinvested by buying the rights of ClassAct to have the boopsis extended for 3.2, so it's not *quite* as bad. Nowaday the system seems more to be to wast.. invest money into lawsuites. It would be really better if the parties would stop that kind of nonsense, settle, and would have developers do their job.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Thomas Richter

Back in 3.1.4 days at the beginning of 3.2 development, part of the 3.1.4 income was actually reinvested by buying the rights of ClassAct to have the boopsis extended for 3.2, so it's not *quite* as bad. Nowaday the system seems more to be to wast.. invest money into lawsuites. It would be really better if the parties would stop that kind of nonsense, settle, and would have developers do their job.

Yes some kind of agreement would be best. But it not looks like this would happen

[daxb]

Originally Posted by OlafSch

But keep that Hyperion are the good and Cloanto are the bad because Hyperion has done so much.

We have "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" but who is the ugly?

[malko]

Originally Posted by daxb

We have "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" but who is the ugly?

Maybe another movie title (korean movie) would better suits : " The good, the bad, the weird "

[TCD]

Originally Posted by OlafSch

Gunnar said that on discord. In any case 1000 would mean the market would be much smaller than the AmigaOS or MorphOS platform. That is nonsense

Thank you for the info I also feel like that number might be... er... slightly off, but it is quite hard to tell how big the Amiga hardware market is these days.

[pixie]

Originally Posted by daxb

We have "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" but who is the ugly?

Who is the Good? :P

[malko]

Originally Posted by pixie

Who is the Good?

1. The customers (for sure )
2. The developers ()
3. Everyone pushing the Amiga forward (with good decisions)

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