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PHYSICAL - €34.95 - YES, this price is justified and I'm ok with it. | 2 | 40.00% | |
PHYSICAL - €34.95 - NO, I believe this price is too much. | 1 | 20.00% | |
DIGITAL - €29.95 - YES, this price is justified and I'm ok with it. | 0 | 0% | |
DIGITAL - €29.95 - NO, I believe this price is too much. | 4 | 80.00% | |
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20 January 2020, 00:04 | #101 | |
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...that's one example of why this "Amiga Joker" review is totally bias and a crock of shite; i.e. deliberately under rating games so that a certain one will shine through (thus increases sales) |
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20 January 2020, 00:05 | #102 |
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Does someone has sales statistics about a recent Amiga game ?
how many, ratio digital/boxed etc..? It could be interesting to see if price is set accordingly Last edited by Rochabian; 20 January 2020 at 00:10. |
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Worthy GFX : 51%, ANIMATION : 53% What a good joke . |
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20 January 2020, 06:13 | #104 |
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I have no problem with people selling boxed copies of games.
I do not believe that digital downloads of new games should cost. If they do, they should be cracked (if protected) and made freely available just like they would have been 30 years ago. If this was the C64, these rip off games would be cracked and uploaded to csdb very shortly after being released. |
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I personally don't like the AJ ratings too but in this case it's probably because the whole game looks very similar, seems as its only one tileset for the whole game. Of course it looks very nice but you can't rate it with e.g. 95% if a game like Superfrog only got 72% with all those different beautiful levels. |
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20 January 2020, 08:26 | #108 | |
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Sorry, but exactly how does this business model work? |
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20 January 2020, 08:35 | #109 | |
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Yes, it's from the same mag.
Other examples concerning GFX ratings from AJ: Lionheart: 89 % Turrican II: 93 % Shadow of the Beast: 92% Agony: 91 % So 95 % for Worthy would not really fit here. :-) (It's a nice game and I bought it, don't get me wrong) Quote:
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So, now that I am not on mobile/cell phone anymore, I'd like to write a longer text what I am thinking about this issue..
First off, I am really sad that people are shitting here on Richard, mobster style. He was like one of the first people who created a new game for classic Amigas in recent times with Reshoot, and inspired me to start coding Inviyya. It was not to everyones taste, but I can respect the endeavour. Plus, he is a really good person. We should not treat each other like this in the Amiga scene like what I see happening in this thread.. Then, we should differentiate the discussion here between digital prices and boxed editions. I concur that charging almost as much for digital than for the box is a bit weird. That is the only fault I see here. Personally I would not charge more than 10 Euros for a digital download. And I see this as a way to express some gratitude in the form of a little amount of money to the developer. There will be cracked versions (I even asked Ross already to do a trainer for Inviyya when the time comes) for those who don't think the game is worth some respect in the form of money. Now, when we talk about boxed version, I have to state in front that I don't give a shit personally about these. But, a lot of people are asking for those. And then, it seems, they don't want those shitty little boxes that Tanks Furry, Bridge Strike or Solid Gold were delivered in, but something that looks and feels quality. You have to see those boxes as collectable items. It's a lot of work to get these things produced, you need to assemble these boxes by hand, put disks, Manuals and goodies in there, write and design and print a manual, etc. Charging as much as 30 or even 40 euros might seem steep to you, but it's still self damaging and a shit load of work to produce these things. So, if you want these boxes but think the prices for these are outrageous, you are right. Still, it's a huge hassle to get a quality boxed game done, and charging 30 or 40 euro for it is completely okay in my opinion. If you don't want to pay for these, just get the download or the crack. Add/edit: reading this thread, people like me who are coding games that are sold for a small price are called "leeches", "rip offs", "greedy devs" etc... Makes me really reconsidering going on, if this is how people here think about this. Last edited by Tigerskunk; 20 January 2020 at 08:59. |
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So one of the mods moved this discussion from the "Rotator"-thread right here. Wise move. But by choosing such a biased title ("Discussion about Game Developers overvaluing their products") @DamienD again proves that he is not at all interested in discussion, but rather in spreading his own opinion.
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So I hope I could make my point clear: There is lot of work involved with digital distribution, as with physical distribution, and it takes a lot of knowledge to do it right. That´s why Digistore - and all other digital channels – charge 20% to 40% of revenue split for their services. Having said that: If anyone has worked with a digital channel which ticks all of my boxes and whose revenue split is less than 20%, then please tell me. I am happy to put the digital version of RESHOOT PROXIMA 3 up there when its finished and forward the financial benefit. Last edited by buzzybee; 20 January 2020 at 09:11. |
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Didn’t really want to comment here as its obviously a sensitive subject for some, but like Steril says i think it’s becoming a bit of a witchhunt type thread which despite what you think should have not be taking as far as its getting imo.
Price wise any developer or publisher can charge what they like, no amount of screaming or moaning should change that if that’s the price they have set. The only time the price should change is if/when they have set it wrong and the sales bomb, again then its upto them to change it. If its too high for you then don’t buy it, just don’t buy it and say the price was too high afterwards! That’s not to say i don’t like high price tags, personally a lower price tag to reach a wider audience is always better than a higher price tag with a lower audience, especially if more games are being made from the same developer, people can be loyal with purchases but if the first game is out of reach them potential sales of more games will already be lost. @Steril not everything thinks this way, same with any social media don’t think the voices of a few represent the voices of the many. But the only disturbing part for me is the review scores, is does look pretty bad to rate your their game highly and ‘maybe’ keep certain other games below the 80% range to highlight their game as being stand out. Again its all speculation, people can rate games as they please of course, but it would come across underhanded if their own game was self rated. |
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For me price is high for a game like this. I would hapily pay that if game would be more ambitious. Something wich we doesn't have already or more complex playability, etc. I really would like to pay similar sum for Desert racing of Bardos, but total lack of playabilty removed my insterest fast. Currently I have put my hope for this game http://aquabyss.com/ |
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I am really fed up with this biased discussion, based on lack of knowledge and obvious wrong information. Steril707 is exactly right: If bringing stuff like Amiga Joker, RESHOOT R or RESHOOT PROXIMA 3 to the Amiga community leads to insults and wrong claims, it may be time to reconsider investing any more precious time. Last edited by buzzybee; 20 January 2020 at 10:38. |
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Otherwise you have to also consider "Amiga Joker" as an opinion spreader (and not just as a simple medium of information. Think this thread will gain in readability when the "personalisation" will stop. |
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20 January 2020, 10:43 | #116 | |
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Please Richard and other devs. Don't let a few people distract the beautiful work you are doing. There will always be someone that are jealous or have some strong opinion they try to push on others. You do what you do and charge what you like for it. I understand that some think you would sell more if the price went lower but I think the business model Richard followed is spot on! |
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For the record, I'm not opposed to a discussion about value or pricing and digital vs physical. What I'm less happy about is how this thread has turned into a rather "personal" thing (sorry, my English is normally good but I don't quite know how to express what I exactly mean here. I'm trying to say it seems aimed too much at specific people and I'm not happy about that part).
With that in mind I'd like to add to the discussion on pricing (not people) by pointing out the high prices for collectors editions are nothing new in the retro world. It happens everywhere, not just the Amiga. On the very same site (http://binaryzone.org/retrostore) that sells Rotator, they also sell about 20 other collectors editions featuring games on several platforms. These include Starquake for the Amiga priced at 39.99 UKP, Slipstream for the C16/C64 at 39.99 UKP, Mayhem in Monsterland for the C64 at 39.99 UKP, etc*. But it's not limited to this site: Protovision sells games on the C64 for very similar prices, as did RGCD for some limited releases (though those are on cartridge). Similar things happen for other platforms as well, with expensive games available for the 8 bit Atari's, Amstrad, ZX-Spectrum, the consoles, etc. What I'm getting at here is that you don't have to see these prices as reasonable: by all means disagree with them. I find some of the prices listed absurdly high myself. But making it out to be something primarily done by one (or perhaps a few) guy(s) and calling just them out seems quite unfair to me. *) Note that several of those collectors editions are also available in non-collector form at far more reasonable prices (around 13 UKP) and that generally (but not always) the digital versions will be cheaper. |
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I'm sorry you're disappointed, but like I said you opened yourself up to my opinion by rating your own game. I am in no way calling the work of the authors a load of bollocks - it's the ratings of the games that pissed me off. Graeme On another note - this entire thread needs to calm the fuck down. We don't have many decent devs on the Amiga and this sort of shit makes me want to program an Atari ST. |
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