Confess your sins

[Nostalgeek]

we are talking about the theft (because that is exactly what it is in the eyes of the law)

That's not the case in Switzerland, and I don't think we can consider ourselves a 3rd world country We're talking about luckily being the winner of equipment you didn't order in the first place.

Again, that's a decision mainly based on personal feelings about it.

[Hungry Horace]

bippym however lives in the UK like myself.

unfortunately, bippy('s girlfriend) has broken the law by signing for (and therefore claiming ownership of) an item which is someone elses. However, this isnt their fault due to the sender double-labelling the item, but legally, the item is not his to claim.

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

bippym however lives in the UK like myself.

unfortunately, bippy('s girlfriend) has broken the law by signing for (and therefore claiming ownership of) an item which is someone elses. However, this isnt their fault due to the sender double-labelling the item, but legally, the item is not his to claim.

Don't talk bollocks Horace!

Bippys girlfriend has commited NO offence whatsoever.

Bippy commits an offence if he continues to keep in his possession something that he knows is not his to own, would be judged as theft. Would only be considered fraud if he ordered it himself.

Technically its theft pure and simple, if I was in Bippys position........ i'd probably keep hold of it, they probably wouldn't even be able to figure out where it went, person who originally ordered it would complain they hadn't received, shop would despatch another, and claim on the insurance of the delivery company.

[AmigaFriend]

Well it depends on the system used on the delivery company. Here in Portugal I used many times an orange labeled company and they keep track of misdeliveries. I used to send many items to Angola and I can say that the service works, even in Africa!

As bippy's girlfriend signed for another two deliveries to bippy's address they could track down the third one by comparing the signatures. If the company uses barcode readers embedded with gps receivers, it is also on the log provided by the machine and they can backtrack to the address.

Tipically in a maximum of three working days all is resolved, but has you stated 6 days have passed I would recomend to wait and see it seems the delivery boy was not so geared up!

[Hungry Horace]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Bippys girlfriend has commited NO offence whatsoever.

Bippy commits an offence if he continues to keep in his possession something that he knows is not his to own, would be judged as theft.

i'm not 'talking bollocks' Galahad. I have to deal with handling sensitive post on a near-daily basis for work.

in this case, where the packaging is mislabelled you may be correct, but i it is an offence to sign and receive such items if they are not for you or you do not represent the person they are intended for.

in any case, the resultant 'offence' would be very minor, since we're not talking about legal documents or anything, but nonetheless holding onto the items knowing that you do not own them would be the potential stinger.

[AmigaFriend]

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

in this case, where the packaging is mislabelled you may be correct, but i believe it is an offence to sign for such items if they are not for you.

in any case, the resultant 'offence' would be very minor.

It's not an offense to sign for a parcel that is not for you! The courts would be filled up with thousands of new trials because of this! it's an offense to keep an item after it has been asked to be returned by the original owner.
As it seems it is not the case so far...

[Hungry Horace]

must just be for legal docs then, or in business, cos i've been heavily warned about this with receipt of certain items for work! (there are certain ones which arrive which i am not allowed to sign for myself - weird, but true)

maybe it is dependent on the 'type' of signing it requires / depends on how it has been sent


as i say, i know with normal mail it can be 'not for you' if you represent the person it IS for anyway, but i think we are all agreed you arent allowed/meant to 'hold it on their behalf' indefinately!


edit: looks like it the opening of said-item that's more the problem:

The Post Office Act 1953 prohibits the opening of 'any postal packet' which ought to have been delivered to another person.

but where does the post office Act 1953 stand on double-labelling?!

[DDNI]

My decision would be driven by whether the company is a large multi national or a small outfit.

[BippyM]

Right this has gone a bit off-topic and I think I should clear up a few things..

1. My girlfriend signed for something I ordered. She did not (and still does not) know what was delivered as she went out to work before I saw her. I also don't always tell her what I have ordered. SHE HAS NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS!

2. The parcel was delivered accidentally along with my parcel. It has exactly the same barcode and that as my other parcels, so tracking would be very difficult, and even if they were to track it they'd have a hard time proving I received it!

3. I rang the shop earlier and explained the mistake. They were very appreciative and will be sending a courier to collect it Tuesday.


I simply am not a thief (except the odd bit of piracy) and my morals got the better of me

@DDNI they are one of the biggest UK pc component distributors.

[DDNI]

You did the right thing Bippy.

I remember getting two motorolla surfboard cable modems delivered by NTL in error.
I phoned them and reported it. Two years passed before I sold them on ebay...

[Paul_s]

Originally Posted by Deleauvive

I stopped using my Amiga by the early 90s, since I wasn't too enthusiastic with the "buy extra Amiga hardware to keep us afloat" campaign. I also had a lovely reason to do so (a French brunette, can you argue ?).

I know some people still consider the switchers responsible for Amiga Inc. demise to some extend, but I was using my computer exclusively to play games and really good ones were starting to become more and more scarce, plus I was perfectly aware PCs were not as good by the time.

The terrible "vaporware" concept with developers pretending they were still involved, was the nail in Amiga's coffin, inmho, but that's another story.

Also, I was a bit pedantic , the elite being a kind of social class by that time. Gee, I should confess I am glad to have given up all that sh*t, even with the two years hiatus, which had me put my geekness to sleep !


...Might that tiny contribution of mine with hints, repacks, advice, tutorials (a big word, but still...), P2p shares, linux tryouts... redeem my Boing Ball related sins, at least partly

and what happened with the French Brunette? Upload some photos of her as she is now into the hardware section if you're still with her!

[Dimlow]

Nice one bippym, you did the right thing, now instead of having that guilty feeling inside, you should have a nice warm healthy feeling.

Be proud!

[NewDeli]

Originally Posted by Paul_s

and what happened with the French Brunette? Upload some photos of her as she is now into the hardware section if you're still with her!

We had our ups and downs like many couples, I write about her in my soon-to-be published essay. Of course, she tried to distract me from being a computer freak more than once, but it was not the only reason of our breakup.

I put a recent pic of her onto my gallery here, but she looked nicer in the 90s (wow, she wouldn't like to be reading this ).

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

i'm not 'talking bollocks' Galahad. I have to deal with handling sensitive post on a near-daily basis for work.

in this case, where the packaging is mislabelled you may be correct, but i it is an offence to sign and receive such items if they are not for you or you do not represent the person they are intended for.

in any case, the resultant 'offence' would be very minor, since we're not talking about legal documents or anything, but nonetheless holding onto the items knowing that you do not own them would be the potential stinger.

I'll give you a big hint here: One of us was an ex-Police officer, and it wasn't you. Shes committed no offence... PERIOD!

[Paul_s]

Originally Posted by Deleauvive

We had our ups and downs like many couples, I write about her in my soon-to-be published essay. Of course, she tried to distract me from being a computer freak more than once, but it was not the only reason of our breakup.

I put a recent pic of her onto my gallery here, but she looked nicer in the 90s (wow, she wouldn't like to be reading this ).

If she read that last sentence you'd get a french stick (extra crusty) over the head

[Hungry Horace]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

I'll give you a big hint here: One of us was an ex-Police officer, and it wasn't you. Shes committed no offence... PERIOD!

this explains a great many things.

i stand 'corrected'.

[DDNI]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

I'll give you a big hint here: One of us was an ex-Police officer, and it wasn't you. Shes committed no offence... PERIOD!

Galahad, "was an ex police officer" infers that you are no longer an ex police officer....

[Hungry Horace]

actually DDNI, if we want to drag further off-topic with a discussion on english language, he implies... you infer

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by DDNI

Galahad, "was an ex police officer" infers that you are no longer an ex police officer....

Quit a long time ago, Political Correctness gone mental, couldn't stomach it anymore.

[NewDeli]

In a way, yes. However, her disk drive was malfunctioning, and I thought it was better to stop wasting my floppies .


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