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Back then, I really envied the CPC owners for tehir machines nice and vivid colours back in the mid eighties.
And somehow I didn't care that much for "smoothness" back then. It's weird, that so many of the CPC games I liked (I never owned a CPC, though), look so rough now, with their bad scrolling and badly animated software sprites. Nowadays I couldn't stand that jerkyness. |
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Frankly, it needs to be as fast as the 8-bit conversions of IK+ released in 1987/88......which was achieved almost 30 years go now with an extra opponent on screen and much less memory (see conversions: C64, Spectrum 48K, Amstrad CPC). That's what the developers of the Amstrad 128k version should be aspiring to. That demo of Street Fighter 2 on YouTube really does demonstrate the class and power of the MSX2 (64k) and justifies why it's in the top tier of all 8-bit machines ever produced. Quote:
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Yeh, the Lemmings games are also jewels in the crown for the Sam Coupe`, but probably don't illustrate its largely untapped class and power as demonstrably as Prince of Persia because of the small size of the game components. Quote:
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07 December 2016, 21:07 | #90 |
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The MSX-2 graphics chip is pretty good. And it's a no scrolling game.
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And it says this about Amstrad sales: "During the Eighties, though, the CPC had become France's best selling computer. The range had swallowed up 50 per cent of the market, selling 650 000 machines." So if this is true ( and Retro Gamer can't possibly be wrong ), then the claims about Amstrad being number 1 in France are actually true: 50 % market share is enough to dominate the market, and to make such a computer a favourite in the eyes of both retailers and software developers in France. So it looks like that in the eighties at least, Amstrad was the market leader in France, although the situation maybe changed when the 90ies arrived. And also now that I think about it, there aren't that many great C64 games made in France, I think most C64 mega hits came from Germany, UK and other european countries, but not so many from France. And the Amstrad's popularity in France was the likely reason. --- Also, here are some smooth scrolling examples on the Amstrad: SOTB Demo [ Show youtube player ] Edge Grinder [ Show youtube player ] Although only a few Amstrad games back then had smooth scroll like this, obviously because the hardware didn't directly support smooth 1 pixel scrolling, and special tricks were needed to make it happen. But clearly it can be done, with pretty amazing results in right hands. |
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Yep, some good custom hardware like an innovative graphics chip goes a long way......and a little bit of cheating using a cartridge facility to save precious memory is always handy.
@Master484 There's little doubt that Amstrad was #1 in France, but it's quite likely that the C64 wasn't that far behind in sales as it was sold there from 1982/83 until 1995 when C= France went into receivership (Amstrad was sold in France from 1984/85 to 1990 only). Games were still being produced, advertised and sold in France for the C64 in the late 80s/early 90s by Ocean France, Ubi Soft, Loriciels/Microids, Infogrames/Ere and Titus.....to name but a few. Anyway, this is all a bit moot now and we should really not be straying too far from the topic at-hand of 8-bit conversions of SF 2. Last edited by DrBong; 07 December 2016 at 22:39. Reason: Added another reply to post + fixed typo. |
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[QUOTE=Master484;1127039]I have the Retro Gamer Videogames Hardware Handbook year 2016 edition here, and it has articles on both standard Amstrad and the 6128 model.
And it says this about Amstrad sales: "During the Eighties, though, the CPC had become France's best selling computer. The range had swallowed up 50 per cent of the market, selling 650 000 machines."[quote] Marion Vannier, the french Amstrad Boss, gave the official 1 million mark of CPC sold in France. 650,000 as number is half what was sold in reality. Quote:
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That's why i said a bit above that for 5 C64 sold, 30 CPC computers were sold. This to the point that the sellers in hypermarket were just sending back to Commodore France stocks and stocks of unsold C64 computers. And this has finally led to Commodore France Bankruptcy (they only got their head out of the water thanks to the Amiga). --- Quote:
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But now, things are going for the best No more deadlines, no more common developments and money making troubles. Only the fun ! About the informations i got : I have found my numbers inside 1 UK magazine released in 1990, in which the publisher Microids gave the so much hidden information that no publisher back in the day would have publicly given : The market share parts of the whole software french market. The microids guy gave the info in the UK mag because he knew that it won't be published back in France. And here is what he gave to the mag : 60% of market share : CPC 10% : Atari ST 11% : Amiga The remaining being shared by the PC and Consoles. The C64 and Spectrum being none existant (no publisher here were developping on these 2 machines and for a reason, both got killed by the CPC in the 2 first years of its birth, even Alan Sugar tried to force Marion Vannier to sell zx spectrum, and she told him, "i won't be able to sell them, people want to buy CPCs, send me instead CPCs !"). Next, i found in a french magazine the opposite : the UK market share numbers at the date of Feb 1991 : 40% market share : C64 & Speccy 19% : Amiga 12% : Atari ST 10% : CPC Remaining the consoles. I would love to find the numbers for Germany, as well as Spain. But as one can see, the CPC was even higher than both Amiga and Atari ST I don't think things change too much between 1990 and 1991. Last edited by dlfrsilver; 08 December 2016 at 01:28. |
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about that MSX version of Street Fighter.
a) The game doesn't scroll. This makes everything easier for the MSX, since this its biggest issue. b) It's running from a 2mb cartridge. It's a huge game for MSX standards. c) The music is coming from a FM extension. No FM extension = no music d) Most of the sfx comes from a Moonsound card. No Moonsound card = loses all the nice sfx (including voice samples) e) AFAIK, the version shown in this video was a beta shown at an MSX party and was still full of bugs. The version that was released to public had the name of "Pointless Fighting" and has only 6 characters: Ryu, Chun-li, Dhalsim, Guile, E.Honda and Cammy. And honestly, if you consider the game is running from a 2mb cartridge, there's nothing graphically here that's so surprising for an MSX2. |
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Why not use the secret until 2010 hardware scrolling the CPC has and scroll the screen too a little bit, show the CPC power, put the Amiga and ST to shame.
Maybe way too many KB, maybe 160*160 are way too many pixels to pull for the old 8080 cpu, I hope not and we'll be alive when the CPC manages to pull a backdrop. |
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Don't forget that lying sack of shit Steve Jobs was quite happy to continually publish those ads in the early 80s saying that Apple was top selling computer when it was #3, got beaten to the 1 million mark by the C64 etc etc. These corporate types are always going to talk up their own company figures, so although 1 million MAY be accurate for the CPC in France, I have my doubts - especially so since it's such a round number! |
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I would love to see CPC games back in the day and write in the box "contains hardware scrolling, check that you have 128kb ram, check your video chip type has the required registers and your CRT has 312 lines to pull the trick before buying" then go back home and experience pacman level 256
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But it's to much fun! Also why are people talking about the french computer market in the 80's like it was the most important market in the world. It's just 1 country and of no major significance in the overall scheme of things. The C64 sold at least 17million computers in the UK, Germany and most of Europe, it was also huge in the USA, Australia and many other countries. There is no comparison really when it came to the CPC dominating in only 1 country, and only selling 3 million units worldwide! |
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