06 April 2016, 20:33 | #81 |
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Will you have level codes to restart levels? I'd avoid making it old skool tough- many Amiga games are too diffifcult- no need to follow suit.
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In fact I anticipate it being rather easy to complete...not too easy though |
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06 April 2016, 22:09 | #83 |
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Well, Dont take it personally but the game lacks colour.
It looks like 16colour Atari st game. The engine itself is very fast, all is working very smoothly, but the game needs more colour and less dithering. I have noticed Magnus work for some time, but its too bad he keeps it for himself and hides from the world. Amiga 500 scene needs badly people like him and his genious work. |
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And I am very happy with the palette, I feel it is giving me the results I am after. I understand that it might not be to everyone's taste, but I guess that's life. Magnus is indeed a genius, I am very lucky to be working with him on this project |
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06 April 2016, 22:38 | #85 |
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This gives the feeling of overall poorness of graphic quality. You can keep the palette if that is what you like, but use more than just 3 colours. BTW. why you dont use 32colours? |
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07 April 2016, 00:35 | #87 |
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I think it looks tremendous and I don't think you'd necessarily notice it's 16 colours. Very detailed and well animated. It's a great use of a restricted palette I think. Sheer number of colours aren't everything.
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07 April 2016, 00:44 | #88 |
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I think 16 colours were chosen to keep the speed up in the game engine and game action etc. I'm sure lord nipple said as much before.
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07 April 2016, 08:49 | #89 | |
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The palette is staying as it is, I don't have time to re-draw every sprite just to suit one user. As for how I use my colours, it truly has nothing to do with you, no-one is forcing you to play this or to like it. I value all feedback of course, positive or negative. |
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07 April 2016, 09:42 | #90 |
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I want to disagree here, I like the graphics style very much. Ok, the diversity of colors is a bit restricted, but you usually have to do some compromises if you're only using 16 colors and in my eyes the result is top-notch!
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07 April 2016, 09:46 | #91 |
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You should rename this topic Wayne, it is not easy to find.
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I do not mind if You are using 16 colors or more. Your game look very professional and I wish You good luck with finishing it. Sure, there is a lot of stuff to do, to improve, to create levels and objects etc - level I have seen in video feels bit empty, with not much decorations and architecture design, just a maze, but it's enough to show game engine. But what You have just now is stunning - in my opinion Your project got same "feel" as Gods, Chaos Engine, Alien Bash2, Darkmare and Dragonstone. I just hope You will have both great ideas for levels with different setting and determination to create them.
How about using different palette for status bar? Will there be picture of nice looking girl in shop section? And will she be nice animated like Colin from Xenon 2 shop? Will there be more details on walls and floors like furniture, big objects, animated stuff? Will there be wood/forest level? |
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The level you see in the videos is simply placeholder, to test things in. The actual levels will look vastly better than this, maybe we should've waited to show off what we were doing but we're just so excited about it and wanted to share that excitement. There will be other settings, yes. Forest no. I spent a large portion of time drawing the various panels etc using the existing palette. If this is something of a mistake I will regret it in time I'm sure, but I am rather proud of the way they look and so they will stay as they are. It is inevitable that whenever someone is making something creative there will always be those who seek out what they feel are weaknesses in order to validate their own opinions. But that's all they are: opinions. They can, of course go and make their own games and leave us to make ours. When this game is finished I will have achieved something I have always wanted to do. Magnus's programming is the best thing about this project but I am very proud of the work I have done so far. Magnus is also extremely happy with my work. There will be a shop yes I might make that 32 colours though, we'll see, I am very aware of the filesize bloating and us having trouble fitting it onto one disk |
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I want it boxed.
BTW: why one disk? |
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Thanks for fast answers I understood it was placeholder.
I was thinking would it be possible to use some kind of hardware amiga trick to have other pallet for bottom status bar and still have lots of fps. If not, I will be totally okay with what is it now. It's not like I would like You to change something, it's just my opinion and I respect Your choices. I must confess that I like those old games that got shop with nice shopkeeper gal Lords of Thunder on Sega CD was my favorite with her design and charming voice sample. Why only one disk? Would it be better to have each level theme on one disk and than have more graphics or even some ambient music/effects? I like a lot idea of cd version with adf file and I would love to buy it |
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I am not here to critisize you but to make your game look better. I told you exactly why i do not like the graphics and the situation when 50% of the screen is created using 2 or 3 colours is not my opinion, but sad fact. Someobody might think it is still good and he has all the right to think so, but I do not like it because its 2016 and i know Amiga 500 can do MUCH MUCH MORE. Dont change the palette just use more colours to create the objects, especially those who you use most frequently. I specialise myself in colour quantisation and psychovisualistic, so I know pretty much what i am talking about and you can check my work on Ryggar thread or better check how great amiga graphics can be on Magnus T page. [ Show youtube player ] Colourfull, plenty of details, superb. Last edited by Trachu; 07 April 2016 at 12:06. |
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I will continue to make the graphics exactly how I want to, Magnus is happy with how I work and that is good enough for me. |
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07 April 2016, 15:42 | #99 |
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Could you please give me your pallete values? I would like to try to draw something with it for myself.
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Personally i use a 32 color Amiga palette (0 to 15 steps) i made some time ago after lots and lots (and lots) of trial and error, and again could be improved to save 1 or 2 colors
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19759 then i try to restrict if i need 16 colors in this castlevania style game i am drawing (with some touches from master of darkness). |
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