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Of course the GUI is and should be part of the OS, how else would it support graphical applications? It seems reasonable to include a web browser alongside the OS like was done with eg. AWeb in OS3.5/9. Even if you want a different browser it makes getting the replacement browser easier. Or if you don't want a browser at all you can choose not to install that component in the first place, or delete it afterwards. If you mean Windows is bloated I agree completely. But if you are referring to Amigas, there's no version of AmigaOS that requires "gigabytes of RAM" etc. Last edited by Minuous; 29 May 2019 at 14:27. |
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Windows 8 is actually the first meaningful Windows. I have not yet tried Windows 10 so I cannot judge it.
MS Word used to be the worst mainstream program on the planet, has it changed to be any good? (hint: does it still have the ruler and easy access to fonts? does it make proper templates mandatory?) I prefer something that I can use in my ordinary text editor, why should I change editor to write some text? Luckily the BASIC tradition died out, thanks to Microsoft on the Amiga in fact (Forth would have been a much better choice back in the days). Actually, the whole tradition that we should have a language and program our home computers died out, came to think about it. Raspberry Pi and similar things are probably the modern incarnation of "home computers". The whole web browser thing coupled with abstractions drive the bloat we see today. It is hard to get away from it, which is kind of sad really. Thankfully, there is a lot of niche alternatives, RPi, retro computers, Amiga and RISC-OS to take a few examples for those who want to play with computers. Even UNIX distros and variants can qualify here. All is not lost, we just have to accept that what many of use think is fun is just further from being mainstream than ever. There are so many choices available today and some are even very cheap. |
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On my Windows XP machine (which like your laptop has 1GB RAM) Firefox needs over 200MB just to get started. It is not unusual for a single web page to take up all the RAM and more, though not appearing to have a lot of content. But of course Windows never runs out of memory, it just slows down to a crawl and becomes unresponsive while trying to swap all that memory onto the hard drive (another fantastic 'multitasking' feature of Windows!). Most 'modern' websites have so much stuff going on it makes you dizzy, but the useful content is often hard to access. You can't tell what's clickable or not, and nothing works anyway because the script that renders everything is sucking up all the memory and CPU time. But of course it works fine on an I7 with 16GB (most of the time at least). Why? Because they can! Quote:
Bottom line is - those of us who wish to continue using our classic Amigas need an OS which works on them, and despite being 'insane' the OS we have is far more practical for this purpose than anything resembling Windows or Linux. |
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In business world a lot of people use computers and have to And I program so I would never use a smartphone or tablet for that Might be that most young people no longer use computers at home but in business world computer are alive And because Thomas is a experienced developer so I assume he knows the difference between applications (apps) and GUI or toolkit |
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You do know you can disable virtual memory on Windows (or any other OS that supports and uses it, such as Linux), right? Sure, that can cause programs to fail (like they do on the Amiga if it runs out of memory), but it does stop all the HDD thrashing. |
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Didn't Mike promised that public release statement to follow the interview soon....
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The adage says: "one person, one opinion; ten persons, ten opinions".
And that's without mentioning what the developers think, because "one desired action, ten different codes possible" . My two cents don't share the whole argument here but Bruce convinces me more with his vision of the OS. Amiga doesn't need a "gas factory" OS (I like to add the application that are of some need for the task I have to do. In this regard, AOS3.9 is already a "gas factory" OS). Android & Win are the best example of "gas factory" OS with all the crap-apps that are difficult/impossible to uninstall/deactivate without possibly breaking the stability. |
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This is why it's pointless to even dream about having a 'modern' browser on the Amiga - the operating systems are just too different. But that doesn't mean we should give up on making Amiga OS work better while keeping its original character - including the 'insane' parts. And who decides what's insane anyway? Here's what happened when I viewed a certain web page in Firefox. Starting at 200MB before running Firefox, then going up to ~400MB as it loaded the webpage. The page was displayed and memory usage was stable for a few seconds, then it suddenly (for no apparent reason) jumped to 926MB! Too bad if other apps were using that memory... |
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