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And there were certainly no 16MB models (not including expansion boards), the 14MB models were available from Sep 1993. Last edited by Amigajay; 25 October 2023 at 10:25. |
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Could you explain the technical reasons for this, or provide a link? Because I don't see why the bus width and memory size are linked like you say here.
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But anyway, this come from the same source I've posted upper. Strange that this information wasn't taken in account by this website. EDIT : in the AF edition of 06/1993, it is very clear (ands stated by a Commodore UK official) that the 44000 units solds at Xmas 1992 were also UK only Last edited by sokolovic; 25 October 2023 at 11:04. |
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Trouble is these get taken for gospel when alot is missing. Chart-Track and independent sales source in the UK listed in an issue of Edge magazine total Amiga sales (all models) in the Uk at 2,215,000, alot more than the 1.5m that seems to get stuck. Which is why i only quote sales figures from places like or from Commodore reps quotes in magazines that are cross referenced, not just one source like AF. |
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Yep, the information is quite fragmented. Amigajay's number seems about right. Even if we take into account that Commodore UK's numbers might be slightly inflated, 450,000 - 500,000 A1200 sold sound reasonable and like Megalomaniac said that's a lot more than the Falcon sold.
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Obviously advertising a machine doesn't necessarily mean it's available, but that same retailer was still offering the 1MB configuration in later magazines. |
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In post #53 is an ad from November 1992 with the 1 MB configuration. Not very likely that so many 'misprints' happened.
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For example, let's say you want 1 MB of RAM. This could be provided by an 8Mb chip arranged as 1M x 8 bits, but that's no good because you need both 16 and 8 bit access. Hopefully a 512k x 16 bit variant with upper/lower data select is available, and then you can still do it with one chip. Otherwise you might need to use two 512k x 8 chips or four 256k x 8 chips (or eight 256k x 4 chips etc.). Now let's say you want a 32 bit bus. This can't be done with 512k x 16 bit chips because one chip is already 1 MB. Since nobody makes a 256k x 32 bit chip, you need two 256k x 16 bit chips (or four 256k x 8 chips etc.). If you want an 'odd' memory size it gets even trickier. To get 1.5 MB you need at least double the number of RAM chips using two different sizes, or three times more if using one size. It might be cheaper to go up to the next power of 2, ie. 2 MB. Then for 32 bits you can use just two 512k x 16 chips if these are available, or four 256k x 16 chips. The savings in board area, inventory and quantity discounts could be worth it. |
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On a side note I've just read on the A1200 presentation of the Retro Gamer website that "As a serious business machine, the A1200 was much more expensive than the 386 and 486 PCs". It surely wasn't, but hey, who cares anyway ? So I wonder how serious this magazine is actually, at least on the Amiga side. Last edited by sokolovic; 25 October 2023 at 23:45. |
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Reminds me of this classic Monty Python sketch:
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Well i'm happy to know that 500.000 A1200 were sold ! that's really cool !
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The bigger error though is to try classify as a serious business machine at all*, which it clearly wasn't. They also say Commodore's intention was to "dominate the videogame and business machine market again" - again? They were arguably big in the former, but the latter is fantasy. But then, the whole write-up is full of similar hyperboles. *anecdotes about somebody's uncle's business being run on one need not apply Last edited by dreadnought; 26 October 2023 at 08:12. Reason: these double line gaps will drive me mad one day |
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And people wonder why Commodore Germany didn't want a super-cheap A300...
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I have a Commodore Shareholder's brochure from 1992, where it says that the Commodore's Amiga Business is declining, while the Commodore PC's business is on the rise. Commodore had big business in the IBM-PC range, hence their negligence of the Amiga after 1990. PC was on the rise, Amiga and C64 on the decrease. And we all know how it ended.
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