Amithlon Setup Guide - Page 47

shaf · 10 May 2016, 16:43

how did you get sysinfo to display properly? what was your default WB screensize before mode promotion?

SnkBitten · 10 May 2016, 16:55

My Workbench is 1680x1050x32bit. Mode pro is configured for "program name" sysinfo, "Promotion" Monitor Type and using P96-0:NVIDIA-1:640x480 and the key is checking "Force Planar".

I asked in the "News" section under the Sysinfo4 thread and someone suggested using ModePro and checking "Force Planar".

SnkBitten · 11 May 2016, 13:41

There's nothing like having your HD start flaking out on you, to replacing it and getting most everything set up and configured again only to realize your 80 GB drive is showing only 16 GB of space! Gparted the drive with an Amiga DOS Partition Table then started the process over again. 4 GB System, 10 GB Work, 10 GB Data, 15 GB Games, 15 GB Emulation, 10 GB Misc and 10 GB Development.....much better (all PSF3). About 85% done installing and configuring. Hit a speedbump when the NIC wasn't being accessed with the OpenPCI drivers like it was previously....realized I had copied it with OpenPCI_8139.device naming and it needs to be openpci_8139.device.

So much fun

Eh...looks like a good time to add some screenshots and directions on Picasso96Mode, since I still need to do that on this machine, for the Installation Guide Part 2.

SnkBitten · 12 May 2016, 01:59

Picasso96Mode section now added to the Installation Guide Part 2. A nice utility is linked (UMC) that was recently posted to Aminet for getting the numbers for different resolutions/Hz to input into Picasso96Mode. I also linked a very nice guide for using Picasso96Mode (more detail in using) before I walk through creating my 1680x1050 @ 60 Hz screen mode. I also include the proper changes to make to your S:Startup-Sequence as well (this will require you to know your monitor specs).

http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/snkbittenguide2.html

SnkBitten · 15 May 2016, 22:22

Is there anything else that needs to go in the guide(s)? I think pretty much everything to get Amithlon up and running is covered with the most anything else up to the individual (Prefs app settings, visual enhancements, etc.). Is there anything I've left out that others always do to their Amithlon system that would be nice to include in the Install guides?

I'd love to see some examples of E-UAE configurations and things that others are doing to push it above a simple AmigaOS install.

I've got SMBFS connecting to my NAS box, netprinter.device talking to my wireless printer, Shapeshifter running very nicely and always looking for something else.

I may examine porting an app (if source is available) to the native Amithlon (using x86-ami-bin and x86-ami-gcc off aminet).

Any input is welcomed. Tweaks, optional utilities, edits to startup-sequence/user-startup , etc..

shaf · 15 May 2016, 22:59

An example of using PFS of SFS to get the initial Partition Made would be nice for users not that familiar with the process.

SnkBitten · 15 May 2016, 23:38

If you are booting off bigird.gz (using loadlin @amithlon) you can either have pfs3 in the bigird.gz file per croupier's guide or just have it already extracted and written to a CD. I've build my own Amithlon CD with most of the files/patches/updates added to it so I have everything ready to go with one CD.

Load the pfs3 filesystem into your RDB using HDToolBox. You'll use HDToolBox to setup your hard disk that you will be installing Amithlon too but make sure when you go to partition it you add/update the psf3 filesystem first. Then size out your partition and change the filesystem to the pfs3 one instead of the ffs one. Then when you create a partition it will use the pfs3 (or sfs if using that filesystem). It's in the RDB of the HD, that's all you need to use it. You can run the installer after your system is built if you want the utilities and such from it.

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Click on Add/Update at the bottom right

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Click add new file system at the bottom left and browse to where you have extracted the pfs3 file system handler

This time click on Change at the bottom right

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Choose the custom file system.

Now partitions on this drive will be created with PFS until you "Change" the file system to something else for the next partition.

croupier · 16 May 2016, 07:19

Had no time lately to play with Amithlon...but I have always issues with drivers for cards on the PC side....

I know that the easiest is to use hardware supported directly by the Kernel in use....without the use of pciinsmod option....but if I recall correctly from all the instructions I used to read in the past there are two additional options in Amithlon to get PC hardware recognised....one is the use of drivers that come with individual Kernels (Kernel 3 and Kernel 4) and are available by using pciinsmod.....I think I'm OK with them under Kernel 3... but never managed to get them running under Kernel 4...:-( ...

How to use the openpci drivers?...that's the 3rd option if I'm correct...isn't it?

SnkBitten · 16 May 2016, 12:40

OpenPCI would be one of the options. I'm using the openpci_8139.device driver for my Realtek 8139 network card. The problem with OpenPCI is there are very few drivers for Amithlon. The only ones I've seen are:

http://bvernoux.free.fr/DevPCI.php
Device (percent completed)
RTL8139A/B/C/D network card (100%)
Soundblaster driver included in AHI6 (80%)
ArakAttack USB OpenPCI driver (10%)
AmithlonTV for BT8x8 and other TV card (??)
OpenPCI/Zorro Catweasel MK3 keyboard Driver (??)
OpenPCI driver for Catweasel MK3/MK4 PCI/Flipper (??)

With most linking to no longer valid websites.

The OpenPCI stuff requires the openpci.library, powerpci.library and whatever device's device device, like the openpci_8139.device driver I use for my RT8139 card.

SnkBitten · 17 May 2016, 16:05

Still hoping to see what others are doing to customize their workbench, enhancements, utilities, etc..that they like to use. I haven't touched AmigaOS probably in 20 years so there's a lot I don't remember or that happened after I stopped using it. Amithlon with accelerated video can handle most visual enhancements with ease....so tell me what you've got

18 May 2016, 01:11

I really think it would be neat to reverse engineer ClassicWB 3.9 and create a hybrid installer to duplicate that look/feel/functionality. It's a "comfortable" place for me to work and I really like Bloodwych's methods

mfilos · 18 May 2016, 09:01

It's not difficult tbh. ClassicWB3.9 rocks and most of the clever and nice Bloodwych methods can be cloned quite easily.

As an example, for starters you can install the following:
- JanoEditor
- ButtonMenu (which is used a lot in ClassicWB) and get all config from SYS:System/BMenu
- DirectoryOpus 4.16 and get and it's config from ClassicWB
- ToolsDaemon for right click menu (and get it's config from ClassicWB - Envarc:ToolsPrefs.prefs)
- EaglePlayer (and get it's config and modules from ClassicWB)
- VoodooX
- FileX

Some tricks like S:Assign-Startup called from User-Startup etc for having all assigns in one place you can use or not.
Thinks like Multistartup with Left or Right click needs a bit more time to configure and dunno how much they're needed in an Amithlon system.

SnkBitten · 19 May 2016, 00:47

For fun I compiled my own kernel 4 removing all the other video modules (kept nvidia and vesa only), removed all the sound modules (using AHI provided driver for my SB LIVE) and all the network drivers and compiled in the RTL8169 10/100/1000 only (built in, not a module).

Swapped out my RTL8139 (openpci_8139.device driver) card for the RTL8169 card and powered up the system. Everything came up perfectly...tested sound..works, I'm still at 1680x1050x32bit so the framebuffer is fine. I go into Genesis Wizard and setup the device (amithlon1_net.device) and it works perfectly!

Nice!

SnkBitten · 19 May 2016, 01:58

Here's my system again....my partitions, my NAS (Vol1 and Vol2) and Google Drive and Dropbox.

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I grabbed the background pic from the AmiKit thread

Methanoid · 19 May 2016, 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnkBitten

For fun I compiled my own kernel 4 removing all the other video modules (kept nvidia and vesa only), removed all the sound modules (using AHI provided driver for my SB LIVE) and all the network drivers and compiled in the RTL8169 10/100/1000 only (built in, not a module).

Swapped out my RTL8139 (openpci_8139.device driver) card for the RTL8169 card and powered up the system. Everything came up perfectly...tested sound..works, I'm still at 1680x1050x32bit so the framebuffer is fine. I go into Genesis Wizard and setup the device (amithlon1_net.device) and it works perfectly!

Nice!

That is cool.. I wonder how many people these days use on 8139 10/100 cards.. we all have 8111/8168/8169 gigabit devices...

SnkBitten · 19 May 2016, 19:29

Installed SimpleMail, can now access my Gmail account on Amithlon. Downloaded the latest TwittAmiga from Aminet and can now see my twitter feed. Can print to my WiFi printer. Can access my NAS box, Google Drive and Dropbox.

AmigaOS is still a pretty capable OS for being as old as it is.....

Of course running on Amithlon gives it some nice grunt.

jdog320 · 20 May 2016, 10:23

What about Warp3D?

NMI · 20 May 2016, 21:49

Warp3D requires a Voodoo graphics card to work on Amithlon if I'm not mistaken.
But Wazp3D is software only and Amithlon got lots and lots of cpu-cycles to burn. So what about Wazp3D?

SnkBitten · 21 May 2016, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by NMI

Warp3D requires a Voodoo graphics card to work on Amithlon if I'm not mistaken.
But Wazp3D is software only and Amithlon got lots and lots of cpu-cycles to burn. So what about Wazp3D?

It works. I probably need to lower my screen mode to something less than 1680x1050x32 though. Maybe try some 1024x768x32. At my current resolution the demos run okay though some of the more advanced ones struggle (even as a window smaller than the desktop).

SnkBitten · 21 May 2016, 06:18

PowerwindowsNG is nice but it's causing tremendous slow downs in moving windows, opening apps (the apps display window) that I had to remove it from WBStartup. It's nice to move windows off edge but not worth the slow down.

It may be the large 32bit display that's part of the problem but I really don't want to drop below my monitors native resolution.

15 May 2016, 23:38	#927
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	If you are booting off bigird.gz (using loadlin @amithlon) you can either have pfs3 in the bigird.gz file per croupier's guide or just have it already extracted and written to a CD. I've build my own Amithlon CD with most of the files/patches/updates added to it so I have everything ready to go with one CD. Load the pfs3 filesystem into your RDB using HDToolBox. You'll use HDToolBox to setup your hard disk that you will be installing Amithlon too but make sure when you go to partition it you add/update the psf3 filesystem first. Then size out your partition and change the filesystem to the pfs3 one instead of the ffs one. Then when you create a partition it will use the pfs3 (or sfs if using that filesystem). It's in the RDB of the HD, that's all you need to use it. You can run the installer after your system is built if you want the utilities and such from it. Click on Add/Update at the bottom right Click add new file system at the bottom left and browse to where you have extracted the pfs3 file system handler This time click on Change at the bottom right Choose the custom file system. Now partitions on this drive will be created with PFS until you "Change" the file system to something else for the next partition. Last edited by SnkBitten; 15 May 2016 at 23:47.

19 May 2016, 00:47	#933
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	For fun I compiled my own kernel 4 removing all the other video modules (kept nvidia and vesa only), removed all the sound modules (using AHI provided driver for my SB LIVE) and all the network drivers and compiled in the RTL8169 10/100/1000 only (built in, not a module). Swapped out my RTL8139 (openpci_8139.device driver) card for the RTL8169 card and powered up the system. Everything came up perfectly...tested sound..works, I'm still at 1680x1050x32bit so the framebuffer is fine. I go into Genesis Wizard and setup the device (amithlon1_net.device) and it works perfectly! Nice! Last edited by SnkBitten; 19 May 2016 at 01:34.

19 May 2016, 01:58	#934
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	Here's my system again....my partitions, my NAS (Vol1 and Vol2) and Google Drive and Dropbox. Here's the same though I threw a few shell windows and my System disk opened and all moved slightly off-screen after having patched the kickstart in smallird.gz. I grabbed the background pic from the AmiKit thread

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10 May 2016, 16:43	#921
shaf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Toronto / Canada Posts: 238	how did you get sysinfo to display properly? what was your default WB screensize before mode promotion?

10 May 2016, 16:55	#922
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	My Workbench is 1680x1050x32bit. Mode pro is configured for "program name" sysinfo, "Promotion" Monitor Type and using P96-0:NVIDIA-1:640x480 and the key is checking "Force Planar". I asked in the "News" section under the Sysinfo4 thread and someone suggested using ModePro and checking "Force Planar".

11 May 2016, 13:41	#923
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	There's nothing like having your HD start flaking out on you, to replacing it and getting most everything set up and configured again only to realize your 80 GB drive is showing only 16 GB of space! Gparted the drive with an Amiga DOS Partition Table then started the process over again. 4 GB System, 10 GB Work, 10 GB Data, 15 GB Games, 15 GB Emulation, 10 GB Misc and 10 GB Development.....much better (all PSF3). About 85% done installing and configuring. Hit a speedbump when the NIC wasn't being accessed with the OpenPCI drivers like it was previously....realized I had copied it with OpenPCI_8139.device naming and it needs to be openpci_8139.device. So much fun Eh...looks like a good time to add some screenshots and directions on Picasso96Mode, since I still need to do that on this machine, for the Installation Guide Part 2.

12 May 2016, 01:59	#924
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	Picasso96Mode section now added to the Installation Guide Part 2. A nice utility is linked (UMC) that was recently posted to Aminet for getting the numbers for different resolutions/Hz to input into Picasso96Mode. I also linked a very nice guide for using Picasso96Mode (more detail in using) before I walk through creating my 1680x1050 @ 60 Hz screen mode. I also include the proper changes to make to your S:Startup-Sequence as well (this will require you to know your monitor specs). http://amithlon.snkbitten.com/snkbittenguide2.html

15 May 2016, 22:22	#925
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	Is there anything else that needs to go in the guide(s)? I think pretty much everything to get Amithlon up and running is covered with the most anything else up to the individual (Prefs app settings, visual enhancements, etc.). Is there anything I've left out that others always do to their Amithlon system that would be nice to include in the Install guides? I'd love to see some examples of E-UAE configurations and things that others are doing to push it above a simple AmigaOS install. I've got SMBFS connecting to my NAS box, netprinter.device talking to my wireless printer, Shapeshifter running very nicely and always looking for something else. I may examine porting an app (if source is available) to the native Amithlon (using x86-ami-bin and x86-ami-gcc off aminet). Any input is welcomed. Tweaks, optional utilities, edits to startup-sequence/user-startup , etc..

15 May 2016, 22:59	#926
shaf Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Toronto / Canada Posts: 238	An example of using PFS of SFS to get the initial Partition Made would be nice for users not that familiar with the process.

16 May 2016, 07:19	#928
croupier Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Koper, Slovenia Posts: 94	Had no time lately to play with Amithlon...but I have always issues with drivers for cards on the PC side.... I know that the easiest is to use hardware supported directly by the Kernel in use....without the use of pciinsmod option....but if I recall correctly from all the instructions I used to read in the past there are two additional options in Amithlon to get PC hardware recognised....one is the use of drivers that come with individual Kernels (Kernel 3 and Kernel 4) and are available by using pciinsmod.....I think I'm OK with them under Kernel 3... but never managed to get them running under Kernel 4...:-( ... How to use the openpci drivers?...that's the 3rd option if I'm correct...isn't it?

16 May 2016, 12:40	#929
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	OpenPCI would be one of the options. I'm using the openpci_8139.device driver for my Realtek 8139 network card. The problem with OpenPCI is there are very few drivers for Amithlon. The only ones I've seen are: http://bvernoux.free.fr/DevPCI.php Device (percent completed) RTL8139A/B/C/D network card (100%) Soundblaster driver included in AHI6 (80%) ArakAttack USB OpenPCI driver (10%) AmithlonTV for BT8x8 and other TV card (??) OpenPCI/Zorro Catweasel MK3 keyboard Driver (??) OpenPCI driver for Catweasel MK3/MK4 PCI/Flipper (??) With most linking to no longer valid websites. The OpenPCI stuff requires the openpci.library, powerpci.library and whatever device's device device, like the openpci_8139.device driver I use for my RT8139 card.

17 May 2016, 16:05	#930
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	Still hoping to see what others are doing to customize their workbench, enhancements, utilities, etc..that they like to use. I haven't touched AmigaOS probably in 20 years so there's a lot I don't remember or that happened after I stopped using it. Amithlon with accelerated video can handle most visual enhancements with ease....so tell me what you've got

18 May 2016, 01:11	#931
esc Posts: n/a	I really think it would be neat to reverse engineer ClassicWB 3.9 and create a hybrid installer to duplicate that look/feel/functionality. It's a "comfortable" place for me to work and I really like Bloodwych's methods

18 May 2016, 09:01	#932
mfilos Paranoid Amigoid Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Athens/Greece Age: 45 Posts: 1,978	It's not difficult tbh. ClassicWB3.9 rocks and most of the clever and nice Bloodwych methods can be cloned quite easily. As an example, for starters you can install the following: - JanoEditor - ButtonMenu (which is used a lot in ClassicWB) and get all config from SYS:System/BMenu - DirectoryOpus 4.16 and get and it's config from ClassicWB - ToolsDaemon for right click menu (and get it's config from ClassicWB - Envarc:ToolsPrefs.prefs) - EaglePlayer (and get it's config and modules from ClassicWB) - VoodooX - FileX Some tricks like S:Assign-Startup called from User-Startup etc for having all assigns in one place you can use or not. Thinks like Multistartup with Left or Right click needs a bit more time to configure and dunno how much they're needed in an Amithlon system.

19 May 2016, 19:29	#936
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	Installed SimpleMail, can now access my Gmail account on Amithlon. Downloaded the latest TwittAmiga from Aminet and can now see my twitter feed. Can print to my WiFi printer. Can access my NAS box, Google Drive and Dropbox. AmigaOS is still a pretty capable OS for being as old as it is..... Of course running on Amithlon gives it some nice grunt.

20 May 2016, 10:23	#937
jdog320 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Anywhere City Posts: 188	What about Warp3D?

20 May 2016, 21:49	#938
NMI Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 43	Warp3D requires a Voodoo graphics card to work on Amithlon if I'm not mistaken. But Wazp3D is software only and Amithlon got lots and lots of cpu-cycles to burn. So what about Wazp3D?

21 May 2016, 06:18	#940
SnkBitten Amithlon Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Lexington, SC / US Posts: 783	PowerwindowsNG is nice but it's causing tremendous slow downs in moving windows, opening apps (the apps display window) that I had to remove it from WBStartup. It's nice to move windows off edge but not worth the slow down. It may be the large 32bit display that's part of the problem but I really don't want to drop below my monitors native resolution.

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