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Oer perhaps you are lucky one and your Amiga will work with SysCLK 43.7472MHz And resampling is not as bad as audiophile people says... I forgot to add that You can keep perfect shape of original signal only you need to use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window...angular_window in your resampler. |
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That depends on the algorithm. Creative have thankfully got their act together on this front now but in the past it wasn't transparent at all.
Resampling these days with modern tools (like SSRC) is quite safe though. |
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Yes, also we learn many things from Amiga (half of 80's) about digital audio - probably Paula designer never hear about dither, noise shaping etc in this times - even small trick like panning (so each channel can be placed arbitrary between Left and Right) and linked or combined mode where channel DMA slots can be allocated to form twice faster one channel can be very useful today...
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It can actually run much higher than that using the CPU. You mean that the audio DMA normally doesn't do 44.1 khz. On systems that allow double scan screen modes (AGA) the speed of the audio DMA can be doubled to around 56 khz.
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No I mean that Paula decrements its internal counter at 3,579,546 Hz.
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6581 is digital chip (NCO, hard coded wavetable) with analog filter and digital ring modulator. More about 6581 internals http://sid.kubarth.com/articles/inte...ob_yannes.html Last edited by prowler; 04 December 2013 at 21:10. Reason: Back-to-back posts merged. |
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Every pc soundcard resample to 44,1kHz (or higher but fixed)? I only know that in the past (`90) they were so stupid to have only one fixed frequency. Thought todays cards support variable (e.g. 11kHz to 96kHz) frequencies.
About the topic: For classic 8 bit sample stuff you will more or less have small differences in quality (emulation <> original). If you use tracker like DigiboosterPro/OctamedSoundStuio or Sequencer like HD-Rec with 16 bit 44,1kHz Samples on Amiga and play the same on emulation on pc you shouldn`t here differences. Ok, the most know this already. I wouldn`t call an Amiga is something like an synthesizer. I own a roland MC-303 (groovebox) what I wouldn`t call it a synths too because its is sample based with sound manipulation. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI - i would say that Amiga is comparable to Fairlight CMI and Fairlight CMI is named "digital sampling synthesizer" |
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If the emulator mixes the sound into a buffer, whatever frequency the buffer plays at it is resampled from 28.x MHz. Given that, a little interpolation during the periods in which Paula ticks over its counter, would produce a slightly more accurate result. The question is, could anyone hear such a difference? Or is nearest neighbour good enough? Quote:
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Synth mean you not limited to play but also to create (for example in algorithmic way). |
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But if you look at it like that, couldn't then every sound card be considered a synthesizer?
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Yeah what Beanbag is saying... Calling the Paula a synth is really, really far-fetched.
With this definition, my laptop is a synth, and so is my iPad :P |
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Paula isn't a synthesizer; it's just a playback device with some wave-munging capabilities (FM & AM.) You can use it as the output device for a software synthesizer, if you like, but it's not inherently a synthesizer unless any sample playback device is a synthesizer.
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This has been one of the best threads I have read in a long time, excellent comments too and fro and no one has gotten heated about it. I have also been forced to do some heavy reading which I don't do enough of these days.
Synthesizer is something that can use wavetables or analog oscillators or additive synthesis etc. but a sampler would be something that can only use samples. Throughout the years I have been fascinated by the manner of how these machines worked and indeed their strange idiosyncracies, each instrument having its own unique sound. |
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Once again - 6581 can't produce sound without CPU, Paula can't produce sound without CPU, CPU is absolute must.
Did ZX Spectrum can be considered as synthesizer? - YES! [ Show youtube player ] Synthesizer is defined by functionality not by particular HW implementation as even for digital synthesizers with analog modeling like for example older Roland JP-8000 or modern Roland SH-201 they require to use samples, buffers, DAC's to produce sound. I would avoid to define functionality in freely programmable systems and Amiga have freely programmable system thanks to CPU+Paula. Anything can be synthesizer [ Show youtube player ] Btw there CSound for Amiga (quite old but anyway). |
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