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For AmigaOs 3.1 ROMs(!) and workbench disks(!), you do not need Hyperion at all. The 3.1 ROMs (!) are part of the CBM assets Cloanto bought, it's listed in the CBM liquidation. The trouble is that you cannot develop from these disks or ROMs. What's missing in the asset list is the source code, and the development rights to work from them. |
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one of the suspension letters Basically a number of things have been held up that even apply to 4.x and Amiga in general. Surely you all know Amigaone has nothing to do with 3.x, right? If you don't understand that even Amiga as a brand re-ownership was also brought into question, look no further than the Intellivision response to the opposition filing made over "confusion" with Amico. And yeah, there's more... #6 Last edited by number6; 04 April 2023 at 14:23. Reason: Colon replaced with dash because it thinks it's a smiley |
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Anyway Carton’s testimony makes it clear cut that there is no room for interpretation. What we are seeing here is just legal shenanigans of the lowest sort on Herman’s part. Last edited by jbenam; 04 April 2023 at 14:27. |
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Despite having any means for securing the system against attacks. Yes, I also found this rather funny. Either they had no idea, or they showed a strange sense of humor. Well, in a sense, it would nicely integrate into the "internet of shitty things" where vendors throw "something with IP, always online" into the market, and then stop caring about it. |
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Something which still happens to this day more often than not in the IT field. Last edited by jbenam; 04 April 2023 at 14:41. |
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I guess they were hoping to find some investor money to burn on big salaries to themselves while supposedly working on making AmigaOS an IoT-operating system. I wonder what their explanation would have been why anyone would want to use AmigaOS instead of Linux for that sort of thing. Boots with just 512KB of RAM?
I remember that all this set-top-box stuff and aminoOS (or what was it called?) blabla started some time in the late 90s when I was still listening with half an ear. I always wondered what they were thinking (or smoking). |
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Yeah, it does seem that way. It's quite hard to understand why the two companies can't figure something out after... a lot of years. I guess it 'grew historically' (i.e. it makes no sense) and trying to catch up with it now is pretty much a waste of time
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Quoting from page 3, section 1 (b) of the 2009 Settlement Agreement linked to above:
"Without prejudice to any Existing License Agreements ... the Amiga Parties hereby grant Hyperion an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide and royalty-free, transferable right and Object Code and Source Code license to the Software in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market the Software in any form ... on any medium ... through any means ... and for any current or future hardware platform." I have a hard time understanding 68k Amigas built and sold by Commodore or Amiga Technologies as being a "current hardware platform" since they had long ceased to be produced at the point in time when the Settlement was made. Yet, AmigaOS 3.1.4 and 3.2 target this past hardware platform. |
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I would interpret "current" not as "up to date", but as "in existence at this point in time".
As Carton pointed out: Hyperion wanted to be able to not only use PPC hardware, but x86, ARM (and refrigerators ) It is pretty clear: old Amiga Inc. gave really everything what we would understand as AmigaOS, no matter 3.x or 4.x or what hardware, in Hyperions hands - and Amiga was solely concentrating its efforts in the name "Amiga" and the completely new systems AmigaDE / AmigaAnywhere. Mike's only realistic chance is to prove Hyperion violated this agreement by using the trademark "Amiga" (without OS or ONE) and/or trying to register trademarks not belonging to them or by going to court first and therefor terminate this agreement as whole ... |
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It's almost as if a judge would have to decide what 'current' means in this case
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I always look at these things like this...
Courts and judges are needed because contracts and agreements are almost always written poorly, and/or there are multiple "agreed upon" documents that contradict each other... So, whenever someone finds something in a document that "proves" one side was right, they are probably not seeing the whole picture... Otherwise it most likely would have been solved out of court... Judges frequently don't decide which side is "right," but rather which site is allowed to argue their point and then which of the "poorly written" and conflicting parts should be allowed... And yeah, that would include deciding what the word "current" meant to the parties at the time.. ;-) It could be that it meant different things to each side and then the judge has to decide which definition (or a new one) makes the most sense. But it is rarely as easy as "this phrase makes it obvious, case dismissed!"... Except on TV. ;-) I just hope each side can come to a new agreement outside of further court cases... |
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What happened to AmigaDE / AmigaAnywhere? This should now also be in Mike's portfolio and is not touched by the lawsuits. No? Is there any chance to make this available as a free tool - in best case Open Source? I dopt is has any commercial value left, but out would be interesting to study the inner workings - this TAOS/Intent stuff is still quite interesting IMHO Last edited by Gorf; 04 April 2023 at 21:51. |
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The word "convoluted" springs to mind here. btw-Writer's Group Film Corp. who later changed their name to WRIT Media Group still trades on the penny stock exchange. I only mention that because AmigaGamesInc. in the above link is part of WRIT. #6 |
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Word on the forums was that he was fired by Monard Law. He is now a partner at Artes. https://www.artes.law/who-we-are/ben-hermans/ |
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Probably nothing. I still have the book and the CD somewhere.... If you ask me, it was another "me,too!" product at the peak of the Java hype. It was based on a virtual machine, same as java, but the VM had registers and wasn't stack based. I did not understand what the unique selling point of this idea actually should have been. |
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some of the facts Note my mention of "friction" as well. Monard Law had assisted Ben with his Hyperion activities and now Nele at Artes is even on record as the entity who surrendered the "Amiga Forever" euipo claim for Ben. So there -was- history (and still IS) of people within these firms assisting Ben. Those who claim it has gone beyond obvious in house friendships, however, took this story to a different level. #6 |
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