Why is the homebrew scene on the Amiga not as impressive...

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by Megalomaniac

It'd be great to see someone redo OutRun for OCS. Whatever the STe can do for a game like that, a 512+512k A500 should be able to do - and a 1Mb+1Mb model certainly could.

I agree with you and, while in Amigaland people still discuss about the angels' gender (an italian way to describe an elaborate but somehow pointless discussion) the 8-bit scene chug along stuff like this, pretty impressive if i can say

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[albino]

The amiga scene is split between OCS AND AGA. Develloping on c64 is more challenging

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by albino

The amiga scene is split between OCS AND AGA. Develloping on c64 is more challenging

That one is the plus 4 not the 64,though - they ported and fixed the c64 game

[Samurai_Crow]

Originally Posted by saimon69

That one is the plus 4 not the 64,though - they ported and fixed the c64 game

Hardware sprites are almost no benefit on OutRun because the CPU still has to scale the images. I'd imagine the 128 color graphics of the Commodore Plus4 to be a stunning visual upgrade from the C64 despite both of them being hamstrung by a slow processor clock speed.

Edit: Nope.

[bluescrn]

Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

Hardware sprites are almost no benefit on OutRun because the CPU still has to scale the images.

There's no real-time scaling going on in 8/16-bit Outrun ports or similar games. Everything sprite is pre-scaled (often hand-drawn or at least touched up at each size), for example:

https://www.spriters-resource.com/ge...n/sheet/36255/

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by albino

The amiga scene is split between OCS AND AGA. Develloping on c64 is more challenging

I don't understand how those two sentences are connected.

[albino]

The batman group looks very skills, when i saw their amstrad cpc port of pinball illusion i remember asking myself, why a amiga demo group is not doing something for amiga ?
I understood then that they were looking after bigger challenge and in my opinion challenging the cpc hardware is a big big one.

[aNdy/AL/COS]

Originally Posted by albino

The amiga scene is split between OCS AND AGA. Develloping on c64 is more challenging

As someone who has just released their first Amiga game and has multiple code/graphics/music credits on the C64, I'm not sure about this statement?

Developing on the C64 is the easiest it's ever been, with multiple gfx/sfx/msx tools, cross-assemblers and emulators. Developing on Amiga is almost just as easy and it's the developers choice whether to support all Amiga formats (as I tried to do with my simple puzzle game) or just target AGA.

I'm not looking for an argument here, it's just how I see it having done it...?

[Tigerskunk]

Originally Posted by albino

why a amiga demo group is not doing something for amiga ?

Creating a demo is mostly just what's the fun part in creating a game as well.

Most game projects get abandoned when the realization kicks in that you have to do 80% chores now like creating a hi score list, a working start/game/death loop plus tons of other "infrastructure", level structs, fun gameplay, have people testing if they can break shit you haven't thought about, etc etc etc.

You don't have much of that in demos.

After realizing this, my respect for most demo people went down a big notch.

[carrion]

Originally Posted by albino

The amiga scene is split between OCS AND AGA. Develloping on c64 is more challenging

I Agree with OCS/AGA (and 020,030,060,Vampire, etc...) situation
But developing for C64 is so much easier. It's because of the simpler platform but also great tools, from compilers, debuggers, to tile level editors. Pls there's tone of tutorials and example code to start with.

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hahaha, and what aNdy/AL/COS said

[donnie]

Megadrive has sega cd, 32x. C64 has c128. Its just people ignore the crappy hardware itirations and focus on the real deal.

Honestly the there are a lot of projects happening all the time on amiga these days. Its much better than it ever was. It has matured a lot.

Its not as good as c64, nothing is, and the the top end on mega drive is of higher quality with games like paprium, xenocrisis, Demons of Asteborg.

Id rate it like this c64>md>amiga/spectrum

But megadrive and c64 has something amiga does not yet have. Games distributed on cartridge. Cartridge games are the best way to sell retro game. Its a great way to utilise the hardware(se games on c64), they are hard(er) to pirate, and people are much more willing to pay a premium. Md games sell for 90 dollars a pop. Cartridge games has an inherent value that floppy discs do not. That has to be at least 25 bucks in the pocket of the developer for every game sold. Which is a good incentive.

If i developed an high end amiga games, id release it on an amiga 500 cartridge. just the news of being the first cart game would garner lots and lots of attention.

[hitchhikr]

If i developed an high end amiga games, id release it on an amiga 500 cartridge. just the news of being the first cart game would garner lots and lots of attention.

That wouldn't be a first tho: https://bigbookofamigahardware.com/b...t.aspx?id=2005

[Samurai_Crow]

I'd be happier if people would take full advantage of fast RAM instead of targetting anemic stock configurations. Then you wouldn't need to worry about cartridge games.

[Dunny]

Eh, we had cartridge games on the speccy. 10 of 'em in total. They don't always take off.

[h0ffman]

Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

I'd be happier if people would take full advantage of fast RAM instead of targetting anemic stock configurations. Then you wouldn't need to worry about cartridge games.

Problem is if you target anything with more than 512/512 ram and a stock 68000 and the community come after you with pitch folks while simultaneously demanding a WHDLoad slave.

[albino]

Rockstar should finishtheir 90 s amiga project like gore for exemple. They got enough people to do so.

[saimon69]

Originally Posted by Dunny

Eh, we had cartridge games on the speccy. 10 of 'em in total. They don't always take off.

As someone that seen the interface 1 in action i wonder: there were limitations in size and speed of access?

[appiah4]

I think it has to do with two things:

1. The number of macines in the wild. Yes, Amiga sold well but it still probably sold a fraction of what the C64 sold, particularly in NA. As a result, there is less nostalgia and documentation about it.

2. The configuration is all over the place. There is no single standard to go for other than the OCS - and the OCS was probably 95% exploited within the Amiga's lifetime so there is little new ground to cover and little reason to retread what has already been done. As for expanded configurations, particularly AGA, there is a very minute install base and probably very, very little coding experience for it.

[Korban]

@Amiga Lifestyle

I dont think it was that it wasnt identical. Its more likely that its nothing at all like the arcade version, is slow, is sluggish and unresponsive.

It's a horrendous conversion. Super Street Fighter 2, despite looking worse is a much better game.

I agree with the sentiment, but not the example (SF2).

[AestheticDebris]

Originally Posted by saimon69

As someone that seen the interface 1 in action i wonder: there were limitations in size and speed of access?

It was the interface 2 that had the cartridge port. Each cartridge is a 16K ROM which effectively replaces the Spectrum's own ROM, so executes at full speed