WinUAE 3.0.0 beta series (was 2.8.2/2.9.0)

[turrican3]

Toni: QEMU PPC is still work in progress (by Frode and me), QEMU-side is not yet included. It run for the first time few days ago. It is not stable enough yet but hopefully soon...

whaouh, thanks Toni , which speed could we expect ???

[21stcentury]

Hi ! is someone can send me an adf of AOS4.1 classic boot disk if it's permitted of course. I'm actually creating a "configurations pack PPC" for to help people but I don't have OS4.1 and I would like to supply them for to make it easier.

And same thing for me about last beta...

[amilo3438]

Originally Posted by turrican3

QEMU PPC is still work in progress
great, which speed could we expect ???

Let me answer ...

According to PearPC about page -> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html

PearPPC emulated CPU runs at speed 1/500th (generic, currently implemented into WinUAE) or 1/15th (JIT-X86, canceled for WinUAE in exchange for QEMU) than the host.


Well, according to above the speed difference is 500/15 = 33 in favor of JIT engine.

Although QEMU JIT engine is much more accurate, I hope there should not be much difference in speed in relation to the canceled PearPPC JIT engine.


Someone somewhere mentioned that he had a feeling that the current (generic) WinUAE PPC emulation runs on 7MHz !?

Therefore, theoretically it could mean that future PPC JIT emulation could work on 7 x 33 => 230 MHz !!! (also depending on the PC processor speed)

I hope that the expectations regarding the JIT-PPC emulation speed is somewhere close enough.


p.s.

According to http://amiga.resource.cx/

Blizzard PPC = PowerPC 603e @ 160 / 200 / 240 MHz

CyberStorm PPC = PowerPC 604e @ 150 / 180 / 200 / 233 MHz


p.s.2.
It might even be possible that emulated PPC is faster than the original, which depends on how modern PC CPU will run.

[Toni Wilen]

Wait until it is working, assuming or speculating is pointless.

With OS3.x Beta 14 no problem? the request appears only with OS4.0 Classic

No logs. No help.

[amilo3438]

Of course, this is all just in theory, so maybe better not to have too high expectations ... because just like in real life, with great expectations usually comes up big disappointment. (and vice versa)

[mark_k]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

- Removed A590/A2091 and A4091 Expansion panel checkboxes, enable/disable is now ROM selection. (ROM selected = enabled, ROM selection empty = not enabled)

Does that change mean it's no longer possible to emulate an A2091 with auto-boot disabled (e.g. for use with Kickstart 1.2)?

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Wait until it is working, assuming or speculating is pointless.
No logs. No help.

He apologizes Toni, I thought that the only request was sufficient, attach log

[Romanujan]

@mark_k, I guess this is just a GUI change, nothing more... if in doubt, try it.

BTW, QEMU-based PPC emulation could be really interesting with non-JIT m68k emulation settings: high compatibility with games/demos, slow operations (like decoding JPGs) could be offloaded to a high-performance PPC emulator; just like on real Blizzard/Cyberstorm equipped Amiga

[Nickman1200]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

http://www.winuae.net/files/b/winuae_2900b14.zip

Beta 14:

QEMU PPC is still work in progress (by Frode and me), QEMU-side is not yet included. It run for the first time few days ago. It is not stable enough yet but hopefully soon...

Excellent news. Will donate again at first beta.

[amilo3438]

Originally Posted by Nickman1200

Excellent news. Will donate again at first beta.

Also, and immediately followed would donate for a better (more accurate) A1200 emulation if I knew it could help ... it is much easier to pay than to spend time. (Although some say that time is money, it seems that you get more respect if you pay/donate than spend time/donate ... I'll never figure out the reason for it.)

[TCD]

Originally Posted by amilo3438

(Although some say that time is money, it seems that you get more respect if you pay/donate than spend time/donate ... I'll never figure out the reason for it.)

You'll figure it out once you try to buy things with time. Time = money when you get paid for your time. If Toni spends time on PPC emulation it's his choice and if he asks people to donate if they want him to continue that is fair enough I'd say. Donating time surely is appreciated, but in the end it doesn't pay the bills.

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

He apologizes Toni, I thought that the only request was sufficient, attach log

Unfortunately log shows nothing interesting. Does it only affect OS 4.0? (4.1 works?) When does it happen? Before OS4 boot screen appears?

Originally Posted by mark_k

Does that change mean it's no longer possible to emulate an A2091 with auto-boot disabled (e.g. for use with Kickstart 1.2)?

"ROM disabled" option seems to have disappeared from GUI.. Will be fixed in next beta.

Originally Posted by amilo3438

Also, and immediately followed would donate for a better (more accurate) A1200 emulation if I knew it could help ... it is much easier to pay than to spend time. (Although some say that time is money, it seems that you get more respect if you pay/donate than spend time/donate ... I'll never figure out the reason for it.)

Donating probably won't help with this problem because I don't have any good ideas how to properly emulate it. I don't want to ask donations for some feature that may not happen. (Reason why I asked for PPC donations only after I knew it can work, to motivate me to actually finish it, which is quite boring task..)

[Mad-Matt]

I get the memory mapping output (as shown in post 577) as soon as anything activates the ppc. OS4.0 causes it yo open when the Booloader is resetting the amiga and is OS3 it opens once warpos is triggered (by datatype image backdrop image loading in my case.

Another possible issue is with Blizkick + BPPC combination. When blizkick resets the Amiga the emulation stops with HALT5. A keyboard reset will clear it, but I don't believe its normal? (uae booted with kick 3.1 and simple command "Blizzkick * Quiet" is used to copy the rom to maprom.)

[mark_k]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

- Fastlane Z3 SCSI board emulation implemented, another FAS216 based SCSI controller. z3scsi.device from phase5.a1k.org in rom scanner, but it would be nicer to have full dump. SCSI part only, memory part ignored.
- Oktagon 2008 SCSI board emulated. This was interesting, it has "software DMA" (SCSI chip is told to do DMA transfer but "DMA controller" is IO space that CPU reads or writes), it also have 512 byte serial EEPROM used to store config (with only 15 bytes used). EEPROM data is internal, not saved to any file. 6.12 (last release?) boot ROM added to rom scanner. Autoconfig data is currently not confirmed. Support added only because it was quite different than most other SCSI controllers.

Out of interest, are FAS216, ESP216 and 53C94 compatible chips? Some models of Oktagon 2008 have Emulex ESP216, others AMD or NCR 53C94.

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by mark_k

Out of interest, are FAS216, ESP216 and 53C94 compatible chips? Some models of Oktagon 2008 have Emulex ESP216, others AMD or NCR 53C94.

AFAIK they are practically fully compatible. 53C90 is slightly older revision, also mostly compatible but not fully.

Not sure about FAS4xx. Some Amiga HD controller (don't remember name) uses it but I couldn't find any documentation. (EDIT: FAS406 in Blizzard SCSI Kit III)

[klesterjr]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Unfortunately log shows nothing interesting. Does it only affect OS 4.0? (4.1 works?) When does it happen? Before OS4 boot screen appears?

The 'extra' window appears almost immediately when OS4x is launched. It doesn't seem to adversely affect anything, but if you close it, the emulation closes as well. Happens with both 4.0 and 4.1.

[Toni Wilen]

Originally Posted by klesterjr

The 'extra' window appears almost immediately when OS4x is launched. It doesn't seem to adversely affect anything, but if you close it, the emulation closes as well. Happens with both 4.0 and 4.1.

Ah, it is only wrong logging output type, I thought it was debugger window that also stops the emulation. Nothing serious.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Ah, it is only wrong logging output type, I thought it was debugger window that also stops the emulation. Nothing serious.

No emulation is not stopped, even if the boot appears to be slower, the request appears after age colorat.
If there is interest I noticed that with the beta 14, the "Kickstart 3.1 40.68 A 1200.rom" does not detect the hardfile, as he did with the previous beta.

[amigappc]

Hello, Is only OS4 for classics supported? Or any OS4 be run through Winuae?
Have someone tried Morphos for classics?

[Toni Wilen]

-> http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=74710

And better wait for QEMU PPC core first.