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Why bother? Appiah isn't updating this list, and no-one else can update his post. You Atari guys had a wiki for exactly this thing but managed to destroy it too.
Besides, this info is already available in much more thorough lists which can be found via Google. If people can't find those lists, why would they find this one? |
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Info about HSync and VSync range can be easily extracted from windows *.inf files - this is largest commonly available database for those parameters - perhaps some simple script can make this extraction more automatic. |
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EDIT: Updated with the new info in this thread. I would be more than happy to keep adding. I'm not sure Windows .inf files are a great idea. First, it will probably result in many false negatives if not false positives (not many manufacturers will bother with coding the modes into their windows drivers). Second, compatibility with HSync won't automatically result in brilliant results.. Last edited by appiah4; 25 July 2017 at 11:45. |
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Just read some old text files, and came by an Amiga FAQ from 1993.
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MODEL MANUFACTURER PRICE SIZE kHz VERT Hz MS-8431 Amazing Tech. $399 14 15-36 ? AML-1402 Adara Technology, $650 14 15-36 45-90 CM-324 AOC International $549 14 15-36 50-90 CM-324H/M AOC International ? 14 15-36 50-90 CM-326 AOC International $649 14 15-38 50-90 Auto-Trak 714 Conrac Display ? 13 15.5-37 45-80 Auto-Trak 9250 Conrac Display $3,850 13 15-37.5 48-90 Model 7126S Conrac Display $3,995 26 15-32 48-75 Model 7211 Conrac Display $4,120 13 15-37.5 47-80 Model 7211 Conrac Display $4,120 19 15-37.5 47-80 Model 7241 Conrac Display $2,995 19 15-37 47-80 Model 9214 Conrac Display ? 13 15-38 50-80 Multiscan 3436 CTX International $780 14 15-38 50-90 TSM-1431 Darius Technology $699 14 15.5-39 50-90 ECM 1410 Electrohome, Ltd. $1,195 14 15-40 45-90 ECM 2010 Electrohome, Ltd. $3,195 20 15-38 45-120 Eversync Color Everex Systems $599 14 15.5-35 50-70 FMS Falco Data $750 14 15-38 47-90 MTS-9608S Forefront Technology $499 14 15-38 50-90 TY-1411 Golden Dragon ? 14 15.5-3 50-120 Idek MF-5017 IDEK/Iiyama North Amer $1,275 17 15-40 50-90 Idek MF-5021 IDEK/Iiyama North Amer $2,695 21 15.5-38 50-90 C21LV-65MAX Image Systems Corp. ? 21 15-65 55-90 C24LV-65MAX Image Systems Corp. ? 24 15-65 55-90 CM-1403 Intra Electronics USA $300 14 15-38 40-100 GD-H4220US JVC Information $2,895 19 15-37 45-87 CMON M Leading Edge $599 14 15.75-39 50-90 MagicVIEW 20 Mac $1,999 20 15.75-36 50-100 Model 2014/LP Microvitec, ? 14 15-40 45-100 Model 2020 Microvitec, $2,495 20 15-38 ? Model 710MH Mitsuba Corp. $415 14 15-38 50-90 Diamond Pro 26M Mitsubishi Electronics $11,300 25 15-38 45-90 HC-3505SK Mitsubishi Electronics $11,300 26 15.7-38 45-90 XC-3315C Mitsubishi Electronics $5,495 33 15-38 40-120 XC-3715C Mitsubishi Electronics $7,599 37 15-36 45-120 AM-2752A Mitsubishi Electronics $3,700 27 15.6-36 45-90 AM-3151A Mitsubishi Electronics $5,200 31 15.6-36 45-90 AM-3501R Mitsubishi Electronics $6,900 35 15-35.5 45-70 AM-1381A Mitsubishi Electronics $839 14 15.6-36 45-90 MG-3430 Modgraph, $985 9 15-35 50-70 DM-2710 NEC Technologies, $3,995 27 15-38 40-100 PanaSync C1391 Panasonic Communicatio $899 13 15.5-36 40-80 Ultra 1200 Princeton Graphic Syst $450 12 15-38 45-120 Ultra 1400 Princeton Graphic Syst $899 14 15-38 45-120 Ultra 1600 Princeton Graphic Syst $775 16 15-38 45-120 AlphaScan Sampo Corp. of America $649 14 15.75-36 50-87 CE-8 Sceptre Technologies, $995 14 15-38 50-90 CM-3 Sceptre Technologies, $795 14 15.5-36 50-70 CPD-1302 SONY Corporation $995 13 15.75-36 50-100 GVM-1310 SONY Corporation $1,295 13 15.75-36 50-100 GVM-2020 SONY Corporation $1,595 20 15.75-36 50-100 Tuff/CRT Talon Technology Corp. $6,000 14 15-35 47-73 Omniscan CM-1495H Tatung Co. of America, $899 14 15-37 40-120 MultiVision 770+ TAXAN America $895 14 15-37 50-90 MediaScan 3+ TVM Professional Monit ? 14 15-38 46-100 TM-5414 TW Casper Corp. ? 14 15.5-35 50-70 |
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Looks like it has a decent picture as well: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/inde...topic=115103.0 |
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With such data (Mitsubishi monitor inf file): [VS-1280.AddReg] All information is provided and i see no point to not trust hardware vendor providing safe range of parameters that can be selected by user. As CRT display can be even destroyed those data are proper as they need to prevent possibility to select incorrect one. |
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The Nokia 417TV is arguably the best multisync money can buy, and nowhere does it say that it is 15 kHz compatible.
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I was wondering what is the difference between ordinary CRT TV and 15KHz monitors?
Does monitors have better image quality? Especial if you compare latest CRT TV and old 15KHz monitors (e.g. Commodore 1084). Are newest CRT TV quality enough to use them with Amiga hi-res workbench stuff? |
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The .inf files specify the safe range. It is not uncommon that a monitor can go outside the range specified in the inf file. I remember my old Hitachi monitor was specced to go to 1600x1200 in 85 Hz, however the inf file only specified up to 75 Hz in that resolution. Not sure why, but I had to edit the file and reinstall it to make 85 Hz appear in Windows. I ran it at 85 Hz for many years so it was surely not outside spec, but the either the inf had an error, or for some reason they did not want people to push their monitors to the limit (although 85 Hz was listed in the specifications). |
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And especially, there is no particular reason for a Windows monitor driver to specify frequencies below 30 kHz.
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Perhaps not, but there are cases where it could make sense. Back when people wanted to play back video/DVDs on their PCs, you could either hack the .inf file or use PowerStrip to enable the VGA output to output a 50Hz 576i signal. This could either be connected to a capable monitor or to a SCART RGB input on a TV or CRT projector for optimum picture quality. But in general, VGA monitors could not go below 31kHz hsync. I had a 15" monitor which could go down to 50 Hz (progressive though), but it was horrible to look at due to the massive flicker.
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I found that most TV's/monitors that have DVI or HDMI in or scart will do 50hz 720*576. I don't know about accepting Amiga signal but if you connect a PC they will do 50hz (with dvi-hdmi cable).
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Err, otherwise they wouldn't be TVs.
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Well, 50 Hz is standard in HDMI-world, but it isn't in VGA-world so even though a monitor can take 50 Hz through its DVI port doesn't mean it can do 50 Hz on the VGA port.. My Dell 2408WFP can take 50 Hz through DVI (although it is resampled to 60 Hz) but on VGA it refuses to display anything below 60 Hz.
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Vertical 50Hz or 60Hz is not relevant for this thread (showing Amiga picture and modern TV/monitor).
Important is horizontal resolution of 15KHz. |
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I got set of 3 Samsung Syncmasters to report about with VGA-connectable Amigas: The 943 works effortlessly with DoubleNTSC mode, though it can't take sync (unsurprisingly) regular NTSC or Pal. Same with the S22C150 (which seems to be related to the SA350). Even though the latter's widescreen, it can pillar-box nicely. The 930B sadly is a dud.
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I am using a SHARP LC-20E1UBM EDTV, and converting the RGB signal with an Audio Authority VGA to component converter. This is working nicely on my Amiga 1200. I made my own DB23 to HD15 cable but I presume an off the shelf one would work. The relevant part is that the TV will do the right frequency. Picture quality is so-so, but noticeably better than using component. Specs say it supports "NTSC, PAL, PAL-M, PAL-N, SECAM"
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