Goal! - update? - Page 3

lolafg · 01 December 2011, 17:28

Yes , but i just tested it under winuae A600 and it only works when i put a 68020 cpu....could you make it for 68000 machines ?

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 17:31

It should already work on 68000 machines. What happens? Does it crash? If so, I might have an idea what's causing it and can easily fix it.

lolafg · 01 December 2011, 17:44

yes it crashes :

Exception "address Error" ($F00C)
PC=$5FFA8A(slave$342)
Read from $2D75F

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 17:57

Ok, as I thought. Expect updated slave in a few minutes.

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 18:09

Test attached slave, it's untested but should now work on 68000.

frikilokooo · 01 December 2011, 18:18

There is a graphic bug in the sprites after some plays,tested in real A1200/030.I think this bug has already existed in the old Lamer install version 1.0 so Championship Edition slave won't have this bug I think...

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 18:21

Never happened on my 68060. Can you give me a step by step description how to reproduce this bug? And what exactly happens? Sprites are completely trashed?

lolafg · 01 December 2011, 18:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

Test attached slave, it's untested but should now work on 68000.

All seems ok now !! Thanks
Will now test more the game and let you know....

You're the best and diner is awaiting you

frikilokooo · 01 December 2011, 18:31

I've played three or four plays and I've saved five replay goals,after that my players have a long black line over their heads.The bug persists until you exit the game by pressing F10.I will try to take a picture to show it.

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 18:35

Ah that bug. Yes, I know that one. It never bothered me too much though. I may have a look at it later but won't spend too much time on it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolafg

All seems ok now !! Thanks
Will now test more the game and let you know....

You're the best and diner is awaiting you

Yay!

Have fun testing. =)

lolafg · 01 December 2011, 19:03

just one question as i'm a bit curious , what was making so hard to do this patch and which idea came to you to make it possible ?
It is just to know as it has been a game hard to patch!!

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 19:14

Well, major problem was that the game has been programmed in C, i.e. a compiler produced the code and not a human.This makes it much harder to understand the code than handcrafted assembly code, which is usually very easy to understand.
Problem was that the loader had quite a few parameters and was/is not that easy to follow, thanks to the fact that it is compiled code. So a long time I didn't really have a clue WHAT actually caused this bug.

Then, when I was working on a different patch two days ago and got bored of it because it didn't work as expected, I decided to have a look at Goal! again. And then I just tried different things for the disk change patches because I wanted to nail down where the bug actually happens. So while analyzing the code in ReSource for what felt like the millionth time I encountered a "suspicious" routine, checked what exactly it was doing, had a "heureka" moment and well, rest is history.

It has been a long way to go , LOTS of hours spent debugging the code. No fun at all as you can imagine.

lolafg · 01 December 2011, 19:22

Thanks for your explanations , so now all others patches you'll do will seem easiest

StingRay · 01 December 2011, 19:31

Well, I don't mind hard to do patches, in fact I quite like a challenge now and then, easy to do patches usually bore me.

In the case of Goal! it was quite different though, as I really didn't have a clue what was causing this bug I had to spend countless hours debugging the code. And this bug has been annoying me ever since I made my first Goal! patch so many years ago now... Luckily, it is one of my favorite games, otherwise I would have given up long ago. That Mr. Larmer, who was a VERY good patcher couldn't do it speaks volumes I think. I'm quite happy that it is finally finished and will plague me no more!

lolafg · 02 December 2011, 19:11

well , after a loooooonnnng test in my Minimig Classic workbench OS3.1 2mb chip ram +1.5 fast ram here is the result

1 quitkey: perfect

2 save replays: perfect

3 save data: perfect , even replaced the one created by mine(using DIC) and nothing to say : perfect

4 in game noticed 0 bug even after saving goals....perfect

5 Just to say that with your install the fun is improved as no swaping discs change all the game !!

Sting

StingRay · 02 December 2011, 19:37

Thanks for testing.

I will create the install package now so after more than 13 years an updated Goal! patch should appear on the WHDLoad site soon! My early

present this year for all Goal! fans.

frikilokooo · 02 December 2011, 20:34

Goal! finally has an install as it deserves,

StingRay · 04 December 2011, 11:57

I have created the install package, the patch will appear on the WHDLoad site shortly.

Gordon · 07 December 2011, 09:23

I have been playing a league thanks to this!

Just wandering, what do people prefer playing with, zoomed out camera like SWOS or zoomed in like classic Kick Off??

lolafg · 07 December 2011, 09:43

Zoom in and horizontal view

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01 December 2011, 17:28	#41
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	Yes , but i just tested it under winuae A600 and it only works when i put a 68020 cpu....could you make it for 68000 machines ?

01 December 2011, 17:31	#42
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	It should already work on 68000 machines. What happens? Does it crash? If so, I might have an idea what's causing it and can easily fix it.

01 December 2011, 17:44	#43
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	yes it crashes : Exception "address Error" ($F00C) PC=$5FFA8A(slave$342) Read from $2D75F

01 December 2011, 17:57	#44
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Ok, as I thought. Expect updated slave in a few minutes.

01 December 2011, 18:18	#46
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	There is a graphic bug in the sprites after some plays,tested in real A1200/030.I think this bug has already existed in the old Lamer install version 1.0 so Championship Edition slave won't have this bug I think...

01 December 2011, 18:21	#47
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Never happened on my 68060. Can you give me a step by step description how to reproduce this bug? And what exactly happens? Sprites are completely trashed?

01 December 2011, 18:31	#49
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	I've played three or four plays and I've saved five replay goals,after that my players have a long black line over their heads.The bug persists until you exit the game by pressing F10.I will try to take a picture to show it.

01 December 2011, 19:03	#51
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	just one question as i'm a bit curious , what was making so hard to do this patch and which idea came to you to make it possible ? It is just to know as it has been a game hard to patch!!

01 December 2011, 19:14	#52
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Well, major problem was that the game has been programmed in C, i.e. a compiler produced the code and not a human.This makes it much harder to understand the code than handcrafted assembly code, which is usually very easy to understand. Problem was that the loader had quite a few parameters and was/is not that easy to follow, thanks to the fact that it is compiled code. So a long time I didn't really have a clue WHAT actually caused this bug. Then, when I was working on a different patch two days ago and got bored of it because it didn't work as expected, I decided to have a look at Goal! again. And then I just tried different things for the disk change patches because I wanted to nail down where the bug actually happens. So while analyzing the code in ReSource for what felt like the millionth time I encountered a "suspicious" routine, checked what exactly it was doing, had a "heureka" moment and well, rest is history. It has been a long way to go , LOTS of hours spent debugging the code. No fun at all as you can imagine.

01 December 2011, 19:22	#53
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	Thanks for your explanations , so now all others patches you'll do will seem easiest

01 December 2011, 19:31	#54
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Well, I don't mind hard to do patches, in fact I quite like a challenge now and then, easy to do patches usually bore me. In the case of Goal! it was quite different though, as I really didn't have a clue what was causing this bug I had to spend countless hours debugging the code. And this bug has been annoying me ever since I made my first Goal! patch so many years ago now... Luckily, it is one of my favorite games, otherwise I would have given up long ago. That Mr. Larmer, who was a VERY good patcher couldn't do it speaks volumes I think. I'm quite happy that it is finally finished and will plague me no more!

02 December 2011, 19:11	#55
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	well , after a loooooonnnng test in my Minimig Classic workbench OS3.1 2mb chip ram +1.5 fast ram here is the result 1 quitkey: perfect 2 save replays: perfect 3 save data: perfect , even replaced the one created by mine(using DIC) and nothing to say : perfect 4 in game noticed 0 bug even after saving goals....perfect 5 Just to say that with your install the fun is improved as no swaping discs change all the game !! Sting

02 December 2011, 19:37	#56
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	Thanks for testing. I will create the install package now so after more than 13 years an updated Goal! patch should appear on the WHDLoad site soon! My early present this year for all Goal! fans.

02 December 2011, 20:34	#57
frikilokooo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Mallorca,Spain. Age: 44 Posts: 1,154	Goal! finally has an install as it deserves,

04 December 2011, 11:57	#58
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,865	I have created the install package, the patch will appear on the WHDLoad site shortly.

07 December 2011, 09:23	#59
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I have been playing a league thanks to this! Just wandering, what do people prefer playing with, zoomed out camera like SWOS or zoomed in like classic Kick Off??

07 December 2011, 09:43	#60
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	Zoom in and horizontal view

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