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Commodore's official A2620 has 68020 and 68851 MMU chips. Commodore's official A2630 has 68030 with MMU. Quote:
Commodore's official A2620 has 68020, 68851, and 68881 FPU. Commodore's official A2630 has 68030 with MMU and 68882 FPU. |
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Speaking of this, nobody gives away the AmigaOS code for free either. The profits even go into the pockets of somebody else than those that do the work. This would be totally acceptable if it didn't help to keep the Amiga locked in the bad situation where it has been for decades. But somehow I feel all this has been debated before on one or two or possibly more occasions... |
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It's perfectly valid to sell software and hardware and to keep it closed, and willing to sell it for money. But this requires that you also respect others to do the same, and sell P96 development licenses for money, and AmigaOs licenses for money.
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There are a lot of questions around the original ideas (Natami project and original Vampire - both creators are no longer part of the Apollo team) as well as the code-basis for the "68080" (Coldfire origin?) |
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The open-source vs. closed and for-profit vs. non-profit discussion is interesting, it's also drifting off-topic. Licensing is only tangentially related.
I think PPC is dead and, if the Chinese get licensed out of high performance cores from ARM and x86, they will give RISC-V the boost it needs to start competing with the others. It's as bi-endian as PPC and ARM but the RISC-V Foundation looks like it's trying to standardize coprocessor instructions such that drivers will not be needed for graphics cores. I pushed for standardized hardware APIs since the late 90's and now it's starting to come. |
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Just hardware implementation will be proprietary if the standard is followed to the letter. I find it odd that I just finished saying that the RISC-V Foundation was defining extensions into the ISA as optional parts of the standard and you contradict me immediately without explanation. Did you even read my post?
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Big and bi-endianness is supported through non-standard variants; instructions are always little-endian. X86-64v1(AMD64) ISA patents expired in 2021 i.e. 20 + 1 years. Windows 11 H2 is moving towards X86-64v2 i.e. 1st generation Core i series. PS4/XBO and PS5/XSX game consoles promoted the use of baseline AVX and AVX2 (X86-64v3) respectively. Last edited by hammer; 11 July 2024 at 02:20. |
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[ Show youtube player ] I think not. What exactly do you expect from RISC-V for Amiga users to be beneficial versus what ARM already offers? Technologies which gives ARM their performance are proprietary. If RISC-V ever get them as well it will most likely just match up the performance level of current ARM8.3+ technologies. With price tag attached. So what exactly is so great? Last edited by Promilus; 11 July 2024 at 05:56. |
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Thomas, as long this party uses something like Aros that includes everything then it is perfectly legal
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I don't think anyone has asked what the OP actually intends to the do with this computer?
It seems that a classic Amiga is off the table, so it would be useful to know what his/her expectations of a "next-gen" Amiga are. Without wanting to put a dampener on things (well maybe a bit.. ), it might be that no hardware or OS is currently going do what they're hoping for and it'll end up in the attic within weeks. It happens. We can all play favourite CPUs, but surely any hardware purchase is going to be driven by the software you want to run on it. |
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The OP mentioned OS4/MOS/AROS but they I'm not sure if they fit into the usual retro computing scene, or at least they're at the very fringes. If they want a vaguely modern platform to run a web browser, I'd recommend MOS. If it's running classic Amiga games, I'd recommend a classic Amiga, an A500 Mini, possibly the A600GS or a nice FPGA device like MiST or MiSTer. If it's souped-up classic Amiga, I'd recommend a PiStorm or sticking with emulation; maybe a Vampire but probably not because of price. As I say, it really depends on use-case. |
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Retro is covered really well now. For that you do not need NG. And to play some role outside retro you would really need different concepts. So i assume we agree. |
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Ditto here. I'm not really convinced. That said, I believe the move using Linux as basis for Aros (and thus depend on its kernel drivers) makes for some applications more sense. The end result could be something like "vamos, but with graphics and a GUI", and that is something I believe I would appreciate. Vamos has already turned out as an indisposable development aid here in my development chain. That, plus some graphics on top might come handy. This said, such a thing would not replace my Amiga (probably nothing would), but if the end result would allow me to mix and merge some linux applications with an Amiga GUI, it would be interesting quite some other tasks (develpment for retro, not development *on* retro - noting the difference). |
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They are way too busy selling/shipping Vampires to radically change the website which is already functional.
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