SUBWAY USB CONTROLLER (A1200 Clockport) - Page 3

alexh · 20 June 2006, 12:46

http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/bugs.html

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There is a general problem with all extra hardware connected to the Amiga which generates Interrupts at random or regular times. An example is my network card (Hydra). If I have my TCP/IP stack running, nearly every installed program will freeze after a short time because the card creates PORTS interrupts (the same type as interrupts created by the keyboard) which cannot correctly replied to by the installed program. This is because as soon as the request has been acknowledged with an rte, the next interrupt occurs. To avoid this problem, the TCP/IP stack must be stopped before starting WHDLoad.

In the same category are falling USB-stacks (use "AddUSBHardware REMOVE ALL" for Poseidon) and the Voodoo interrupt of Mediator boards (you have to set "VoodooInt = No").

I guess you'll need to add a script to your WHdload tooltype? Copy the slave to RAM then launch from there?

You would think the WHDload people could add a feature to disable poseidon AFTER the file has been preloaded, but before WHDload is REALLY started (assuming there is enough RAM for preload) and then fire it back up afterwards?

CFou! · 20 June 2006, 13:34

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Originally Posted by alexh

http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/bugs.html

I guess you'll need to add a script to your WHdload tooltype? Copy the slave to RAM then launch from there?

You would think the WHDload people could add a feature to disable poseidon AFTER the file has been preloaded, but before WHDload is REALLY started (assuming there is enough RAM for preload) and then fire it back up afterwards?

no i will use 'ExecuteCleanup' & 'ExecuteStartup' in 's:Whdload.prefs' file

CFou! · 20 June 2006, 13:58

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Originally Posted by CFOU!

no i will use 'ExecuteCleanup' & 'ExecuteStartup' in 's:Whdload.prefs' file

here running whdload.prefs configuration with poseidon USB stack

now os swap seems supported

but of course you can't launch games on an usb device withos-swap

alexh · 20 June 2006, 14:11

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Originally Posted by CFOU!

no i will use 'ExecuteCleanup' & 'ExecuteStartup' in 's:Whdload.prefs' file, but of course you can't launch games on an usb device withos-swap

Bummer. I suggested that you make the WHDload tooltype Copy the slave to RAM before running whdload? Is that feasible?

CFou! · 20 June 2006, 14:40

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Originally Posted by alexh

Bummer. I suggested that you make the WHDload tooltype Copy the slave to RAM before running whdload? Is that feasible?

yes, but better way is to use the global option file 'WHDload.prefs' (see my previous message)

now it's work fine if i add following lines in 's:Whdload.prefs':

"ExecuteStartup=sys:c/AddUSBHardware REMOVE ALL"
"ExecuteCleanup=sys:prefs/env-archive/PsdStackLoader"

keropi · 20 June 2006, 15:02

allright! so now there is no problems, correct?

alexh · 20 June 2006, 15:29

I think the issue is that you still cannot run WHDLoad slaves directly off USB devices as you have to switch off the USB before running WHDload.

CFou! · 20 June 2006, 15:33

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Originally Posted by keropi

allright! so now there is no problems, correct?

yes, all whdload's games must works like before

but warning of course if you read game from an USB Device, YOU MUST USE 'PRELOAD' OPTION and you can't save datas on USB device because all USB devices will be dismounted

keropi · 20 June 2006, 16:05

yeah, I have a 20GB HDD connected, no need for usb whdload

I was worried because having an expanded amiga always conflicts with something, and usb could be one of the conflicts...
I overcome the aga/rtg switching with the Multimedia&Desing switcher, dealing with the usb stack too would be a great bugger for me... wth noone built a busboard with a built-in autoswitcher? it just sucks.

keropi · 22 June 2006, 07:43

just measured the subway speed with sysinfo + a mmc reader + an original nokia6600 mmc ... I got 462.335 kb/sec on clockport, not bad

CFou! · 22 June 2006, 09:15

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Originally Posted by keropi

just measured the subway speed with sysinfo + a mmc reader + an original nokia6600 mmc ... I got 462.335 kb/sec on clockport, not bad

is correct indeed i can't have better than about 150-200ko/s with flash card

patrik · 22 June 2006, 15:43

@CFOU:
Is your exec.library, VBR, kickstart and ROM Update modules in fastram? I don't know how this is handled in 3.9, but I use BlizKick on my 3.1 A1200+Blizzard1260 to do this.

Atleast TCP/IP stacks on the Amiga get terrible performance if this isn't true and it wouldn't be impossible that Poseidon is affected in a similar way.

I think some cards, like the BlizzardPPC fixes this automatically.

CFou! · 22 June 2006, 16:31

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Originally Posted by patrik

@CFOU:
Is your exec.library, VBR, kickstart and ROM Update modules in fastram? I don't know how this is handled in 3.9, but I use BlizKick on my 3.1 A1200+Blizzard1260 to do this.

Atleast TCP/IP stacks on the Amiga get terrible performance if this isn't true and it wouldn't be impossible that Poseidon is affected in a similar way.

I think some cards, like the BlizzardPPC fixes this automatically.

yes i use map rom jump on my blizzard030, the limit is caus by clock port speed

keropi · 22 June 2006, 16:41

clockport + cpu used affect the subway speed afaik...

patrik · 22 June 2006, 16:52

@CFOU, keropi:

But the benchmarks on the E3B site with an 030 A1200 site shows almost double the speed - ~280kB sec, compared to the ~150kB you got with both flash and usb harddrive, which shows that the clockport can work faster. Especially with a Blizzard1230 it should be about as fast as it can get, as the 1230 interfaces the motherboard very fast/well.

Check the library-list in say sysinfo and verify that exec.library is in fastram. I don't know how 3.9 arranges stuff, but in 3.1 exec.library will be in chipram per default with a 1230/1260, slowing down the performance of AmigaOS a lot.

CFou! · 22 June 2006, 16:58

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Originally Posted by patrik

@CFOU, keropi:

But the benchmarks on the E3B site with an 030 A1200 site shows almost double the speed - ~280kB sec, compared to the ~150kB you got with both flash and usb harddrive, which shows that the clockport can work faster. Especially with a Blizzard1230 it should be about as fast as it can get, as the 1230 interfaces the motherboard very fast/well.

Check the library-list in say sysinfo and verify that exec.library is in fastram. I don't know how 3.9 arranges stuff, but in 3.1 exec.library will be in chipram per default with a 1230/1260, slowing down the performance of AmigaOS a lot.

i ham trying with new 1go flash card intuix M300 and I can load about 250ko/s

keropi · 22 June 2006, 17:23

As I said before, I got 462kb/sec.... I dont have any probs... I thought CFOUs 030 was to blame, but now it seems it was the cf card...

zharn · 31 December 2013, 06:42

Is there any tricks to making a cdrom/dvd rom drive work?

Subway - usb to ide adaptor - cdrom

Trident detects the drive and it spins up etc. but then i get this error

Warning - massstorage.class Command (28 00 00 00 00 00 00 ... 01 00) failed:
Error - massstorage.class Command status failed: nak timeout (10)

that just repeats forever.

Ive tried a 5 different ide drives now and 2 different usb to ide adaptors all doing the same thing.

Any suggestions? Thanks if you know why.

bubbob42 · 31 December 2013, 09:37

I don't think any USB CDRom or Floppy disk drives will work with Poseidon, most likely because they're violating some sorts of standard. We would have to ask Chris Hodges.

Bluntman · 01 January 2014, 02:53

CD/DVD drives do work through Poseidon and the Subway. You need a CD Filesystem installed though. Install this one and you'll be back on track!

http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240

Good luck, mate!

31 December 2013, 09:37	#59
bubbob42 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 585	I don't think any USB CDRom or Floppy disk drives will work with Poseidon, most likely because they're violating some sorts of standard. We would have to ask Chris Hodges. Last edited by prowler; 01 January 2014 at 20:28. Reason: Back-to-back posts merged.

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20 June 2006, 15:02	#46
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	allright! so now there is no problems, correct?

20 June 2006, 15:29	#47
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,478	I think the issue is that you still cannot run WHDLoad slaves directly off USB devices as you have to switch off the USB before running WHDload.

20 June 2006, 16:05	#49
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yeah, I have a 20GB HDD connected, no need for usb whdload I was worried because having an expanded amiga always conflicts with something, and usb could be one of the conflicts... I overcome the aga/rtg switching with the Multimedia&Desing switcher, dealing with the usb stack too would be a great bugger for me... wth noone built a busboard with a built-in autoswitcher? it just sucks.

22 June 2006, 07:43	#50
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	just measured the subway speed with sysinfo + a mmc reader + an original nokia6600 mmc ... I got 462.335 kb/sec on clockport, not bad

22 June 2006, 15:43	#52
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 44 Posts: 939	@CFOU: Is your exec.library, VBR, kickstart and ROM Update modules in fastram? I don't know how this is handled in 3.9, but I use BlizKick on my 3.1 A1200+Blizzard1260 to do this. Atleast TCP/IP stacks on the Amiga get terrible performance if this isn't true and it wouldn't be impossible that Poseidon is affected in a similar way. I think some cards, like the BlizzardPPC fixes this automatically.

22 June 2006, 16:41	#54
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	clockport + cpu used affect the subway speed afaik...

22 June 2006, 16:52	#55
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 44 Posts: 939	@CFOU, keropi: But the benchmarks on the E3B site with an 030 A1200 site shows almost double the speed - ~280kB sec, compared to the ~150kB you got with both flash and usb harddrive, which shows that the clockport can work faster. Especially with a Blizzard1230 it should be about as fast as it can get, as the 1230 interfaces the motherboard very fast/well. Check the library-list in say sysinfo and verify that exec.library is in fastram. I don't know how 3.9 arranges stuff, but in 3.1 exec.library will be in chipram per default with a 1230/1260, slowing down the performance of AmigaOS a lot.

22 June 2006, 17:23	#57
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	As I said before, I got 462kb/sec.... I dont have any probs... I thought CFOUs 030 was to blame, but now it seems it was the cf card...

31 December 2013, 06:42	#58
zharn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 150	Is there any tricks to making a cdrom/dvd rom drive work? Subway - usb to ide adaptor - cdrom Trident detects the drive and it spins up etc. but then i get this error Warning - massstorage.class Command (28 00 00 00 00 00 00 ... 01 00) failed: Error - massstorage.class Command status failed: nak timeout (10) that just repeats forever. Ive tried a 5 different ide drives now and 2 different usb to ide adaptors all doing the same thing. Any suggestions? Thanks if you know why.

01 January 2014, 02:53	#60
Bluntman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 13	CD/DVD drives do work through Poseidon and the Subway. You need a CD Filesystem installed though. Install this one and you'll be back on track! http://aminet.net/package/disk/cdrom/amicdfs240 Good luck, mate!

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