Shinobi Boss Level 5 - Page 3

dlfrsilver · 21 October 2009, 23:09

i mean that richard Aplin was alone, and he is not a graphist at all. And about the code he did it quick and fast, and ST in mind, so sluggish, etc etc..

Toki is a game which pulse 256 colors in arcade, but look what Philippe Dessoly did. But correctly using the 32 colors of the amiga you have an almost arcade perfect replicated
game.

IF shinobi and final fight had the same treatment, they could have both been praised by players. Raw converted GFX untouched are disguting, what else since the lack of colors ?

Graham Humphrey · 21 October 2009, 23:19

...and again, this thread has veered spectacularly off-topic...

Retro-Nerd · 21 October 2009, 23:20

Sure, Sareks completed the game ages ago.

saimon69 · 26 January 2016, 02:02

Still, i have seen someone trying to port the original Shinobi arcade on megadrive and wonder if a proper port (or overhaul of the original port) for Amiga might be handy: is not a too hard game to code, seems...

Shatterhand · 26 January 2016, 02:15

Richard Aplin did the CPC version, not the Amiga one.

Not that this matters 7 years later, but still...

dlfrsilver · 26 January 2016, 03:22

Ahem, HE did the amiga version. He has left some very nice messages inside the code

!

And by the way, shinobi on CPC is really better than the ST/Amiga/C64 releases !

LOL XD !

It has nice colors, digitised voices, music ingame

Shatterhand · 26 January 2016, 05:56

Really? Because the title screen tells otherwise:

Shatterhand · 03 March 2016, 05:05

Well, just noticed it also says "Many thanks to Richard Aplin" too

Maybe he helped at some point, like he did with Double Dragon.

Many people gutter this on the "crap Atari ST port" label, but I just checked the Atari ST version, and it's very different from the Amiga version. Maybe the amiga version suffers from real lame coders.

S0ulA55a551n · 03 March 2016, 12:51

Shinboi is one of my fav games ever. Put a lot of money in this as 7 year old.

The xbox live version seems pretty faithful , I think it may be an emulator running the original rom with some sort of front end to control the coins, dip switches. Could be wrong though.

Retro-Nerd · 03 March 2016, 14:29

The Master System and PC-Engine ports are pretty good and smooth. The latter is the best home port technically but it lacks the bonus rounds and some weapons. The rest is mediocre (C64) or awful (Amiga, CPC e.g) to play.

zygzak · 22 October 2016, 21:26

Richard Aplin had put some effort in coding this crap. I have viewed some interview with him, where he tried explain why Final Fight was so much crap. He claimed that he never was a fan of this kind of games and FF was bored to him. He had strict deadline and no support from Capcom at all. But he claimed that Shinobi for Amiga was a good port. That is why I think that he is a lamer, not good coder, at least he was that time. I have seen many different platform games like Shinobi - this port is worst one.<br />
And I think that Atari ST has music more likely original one. Tony made a variation to arcade OST. It is not bad, but different a little.
But is it important now? Amiga collapsed, and no one had done other port than official one. And no one will do any now.

Galahad/FLT · 23 October 2016, 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Well, just noticed it also says "Many thanks to Richard Aplin" too

Maybe he helped at some point, like he did with Double Dragon.

Many people gutter this on the "crap Atari ST port" label, but I just checked the Atari ST version, and it's very different from the Amiga version. Maybe the amiga version suffers from real lame coders.

Richard Aplin wrote the loading routines and copy protection, I think that was his sole interaction with it.

dlfrsilver · 23 October 2016, 12:25

Well if anyone wants to make an amiga remake, i have the full arcade assets for this game (i did the reverse engineering from the roms, it's not a crap emulator rip with missing frames). It contains all the sprites with perfect colors and frames, as well as the background tiles

DamienD · 23 October 2016, 12:53

That would be awesome dlfrsilver

The Amiga deserves a proper port of one of the best games ever

Galahad/FLT · 23 October 2016, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Well if anyone wants to make an amiga remake, i have the full arcade assets for this game (i did the reverse engineering from the roms, it's not a crap emulator rip with missing frames). It contains all the sprites with perfect colors and frames, as well as the background tiles

How many colours?

dlfrsilver · 23 October 2016, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

How many colours?

256 unique colors in the arcade version.

We would need a graphist to repalet the assets for Amiga in 32 colors, or either going for an 1200 only game in 128 colors (if possible

)

Look for a more accurate count :

16 colors per sprite/objet.

Exemple for level 1 round 1:

Main sprite (16), enemy1(16),enemy2(16),enemy3(16),little kids(16),panel scores(16),(background(16),foreground(16/32).

8x16=128-144 colors average.

More easy to port on AGA machines than on ECS 32 colors Amigas.

touko · 05 September 2019, 17:05

A good candidate for a supergrafx version .

touko · 13 November 2019, 10:34

I come back with the supergrafx version .
I did some GFX convertions, all the sprites and some bckgnds are converted to the PCE's 9bits palette .

Here i use 2 palettes for the 2 backgrounds layer and ten for sprites :

All those GFX have been tested on the real hadware and will be displayed like that, only few colors should be a bit darker or lighter .
125 colors displayed .

DamienD · 13 November 2019, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by touko

I come back with the supergrafx version .
I did some GFX convertions, all the sprites and some bckgnds are converted to the PCE's 9bits palette .

Here i use 2 palettes for the 2 backgrounds layer and ten for sprites :

<snip>

All those GFX have been tested on the real hadware and will be displayed like that, only few colors should be a bit darker or lighter .
125 colors displayed .

I couldn't see the image from my work computer so downloaded on my phone and re-uploaded.

This looks absolutely amazing

When you say you've tested on real hardware, can you elaborate further?

touko · 13 November 2019, 18:42

Quote:

When you say you've tested on real hardware, can you elaborate further?

it means that what you see here, is what you'll see on the true hardware(because all those GFX have been displayed on a real console to test the colors accuracy), except few colors that will be darker or lighter ,so no loss of color .

I want to convert all the assets first, before i start coding anything .

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21 October 2009, 23:09	#41
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	i mean that richard Aplin was alone, and he is not a graphist at all. And about the code he did it quick and fast, and ST in mind, so sluggish, etc etc.. Toki is a game which pulse 256 colors in arcade, but look what Philippe Dessoly did. But correctly using the 32 colors of the amiga you have an almost arcade perfect replicated game. IF shinobi and final fight had the same treatment, they could have both been praised by players. Raw converted GFX untouched are disguting, what else since the lack of colors ?

21 October 2009, 23:19	#42
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,168	...and again, this thread has veered spectacularly off-topic...

21 October 2009, 23:20	#43
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,469	Sure, Sareks completed the game ages ago.

26 January 2016, 02:02	#44
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,604	Still, i have seen someone trying to port the original Shinobi arcade on megadrive and wonder if a proper port (or overhaul of the original port) for Amiga might be handy: is not a too hard game to code, seems...

26 January 2016, 02:15	#45
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Richard Aplin did the CPC version, not the Amiga one. Not that this matters 7 years later, but still...

26 January 2016, 03:22	#46
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	Ahem, HE did the amiga version. He has left some very nice messages inside the code ! And by the way, shinobi on CPC is really better than the ST/Amiga/C64 releases ! LOL XD ! It has nice colors, digitised voices, music ingame

26 January 2016, 05:56	#47
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Really? Because the title screen tells otherwise:

03 March 2016, 05:05	#48
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	Well, just noticed it also says "Many thanks to Richard Aplin" too Maybe he helped at some point, like he did with Double Dragon. Many people gutter this on the "crap Atari ST port" label, but I just checked the Atari ST version, and it's very different from the Amiga version. Maybe the amiga version suffers from real lame coders.

03 March 2016, 12:51	#49
S0ulA55a551n Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Wales Age: 47 Posts: 944	Shinboi is one of my fav games ever. Put a lot of money in this as 7 year old. The xbox live version seems pretty faithful , I think it may be an emulator running the original rom with some sort of front end to control the coins, dip switches. Could be wrong though.

03 March 2016, 14:29	#50
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,469	The Master System and PC-Engine ports are pretty good and smooth. The latter is the best home port technically but it lacks the bonus rounds and some weapons. The rest is mediocre (C64) or awful (Amiga, CPC e.g) to play.

22 October 2016, 21:26	#51
zygzak Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Poland Posts: 51	Richard Aplin had put some effort in coding this crap. I have viewed some interview with him, where he tried explain why Final Fight was so much crap. He claimed that he never was a fan of this kind of games and FF was bored to him. He had strict deadline and no support from Capcom at all. But he claimed that Shinobi for Amiga was a good port. That is why I think that he is a lamer, not good coder, at least he was that time. I have seen many different platform games like Shinobi - this port is worst one.<br /> And I think that Atari ST has music more likely original one. Tony made a variation to arcade OST. It is not bad, but different a little. But is it important now? Amiga collapsed, and no one had done other port than official one. And no one will do any now.

23 October 2016, 12:25	#53
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 47 Posts: 10,515	Well if anyone wants to make an amiga remake, i have the full arcade assets for this game (i did the reverse engineering from the roms, it's not a crap emulator rip with missing frames). It contains all the sprites with perfect colors and frames, as well as the background tiles

23 October 2016, 12:53	#54
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	That would be awesome dlfrsilver The Amiga deserves a proper port of one of the best games ever

05 September 2019, 17:05	#57
touko Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: france Posts: 197	A good candidate for a supergrafx version .

13 November 2019, 10:34	#58
touko Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: france Posts: 197	I come back with the supergrafx version . I did some GFX convertions, all the sprites and some bckgnds are converted to the PCE's 9bits palette . Here i use 2 palettes for the 2 backgrounds layer and ten for sprites : All those GFX have been tested on the real hadware and will be displayed like that, only few colors should be a bit darker or lighter . 125 colors displayed .

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