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The job of updating/maintaining the operating system can be taken by the community. People from the community like Olaf BArthel are the ones actually doing any work as consultants. We don't need these IP/brand vultures at all. They amount to absolutely nothing in bettering/preserving the Amiga platform, the community as a whole has done a much better job at it than neither of them. |
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i think you must know my standard answer by now. its nothing particularly original. take aros and build up from there. it solves each and every problem you mention. we just need skilled 68k coders to engage and learn to work collectively. if people like olaf bartel cannot contribute due to contractual obligations or simply because they dont like to, they can still be consulted. in fact thor did roughly consulted few issues once upon a time.
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However that doesn't stop these companies from going to YouTube handing DMCA takedown notices about everything and anything they seem fit, sending threatening emails to websites that mention "Amiga" or use a "Checkmark logo" or whatever, etc. etc. This is a whole other issue and something not as easily resolved. They are not just taking legal action against people that provide Kickstart or WOrkbench for free, be very aware of that. They are doing things like "take down that video on Youtube of the Amiga's launch event", which has fuck all to do with KS/WB and as fair use of a historic event, they should not be allowed to take it down, yet , well, Youtube is a fucking disgrace too. Developing AROS doesn't solve this matter. |
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what videos are they taking down? what websites mantioning amiga? what gatherings may they prevent?
i mean there is multitude amiga websites, pictures and videos all over the net. then name is being constantly mentioned and even logos are being used. events are being held. there may be some certain issues, but ive only heard of few, actually only in context of the recent threads in here. other than that they are actually likely within their rights, when demanding pirated software they might own not being hostested openly. dont you think? anyway, i would circumnavigate all this mess in maximal distance. you cannot even tell when crap may hit the fan again and you ll get accidentally hit just because you were watching too close ![]() for me all this is being solved with aros. Last edited by wawa; 23 May 2017 at 18:47. |
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Don't forget the community is willing to pay for products, but paying a developer is another story. The "vultures" make the products and pay those developers. The community would, I think at least, do nothing and accomplish nothing. We wouldn't be able to set a course, we wouldn't be able to define standards, we wouldn't be able to even get a one way to go. You can say what you want from Cloanto, but they appear to have at least payed some support for AROS and WinUAE. And they developed "AmigaOS" 3.1 into 3.X (there are a number of improvements in there). |
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as example these days an updated port of a freespace has been published. on a german forum i have heard who actually contributed to this and im not sure if they have been rewarded for their work, at least probably not all of them. considering this and the other obvious fact, that enterprises do not produce money, they can actually only redistribute some part of their actual income to the developers they contract, it occures to be really more effective and sensible to reward and support the developers directly. the community simply needs to reconsider their attitudes. if one wants progress one should contribute either some work or something which makes this work possible instead of simply be buying gadgets. |
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I don't say it would be impossible. But most of the people would rather spend money on hardware or a finished product, then pay money to develop something that might not be of their choosing. |
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at this point it is simply expectation (probably upon your knowledge of something similar) that may be satisfied or not, but by then you have already paid. people simply need to inform themselves about available options better. |
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Sorry, I don't have any sentimental attachment to Amiga Inc or AEon or Hyperion. MorphOS, AmigaOS 4, AROS, they all deserve some kind of respect for what they have done. None of those are directly detrimental to the "genuine" Amiga, unlike Cloanto, whom I respect only for Personal Paint. |
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Thanks to Doobrey's utilities, there are a lot of people who can replace scsi.device and remove workbench.library. |
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You really must drink vinegar instead of water. Can you state a positive thing? I'm really curious how you ever think there will be anything done ever when this is all you can say. Constructive discussions also tends to look at the other side. |
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I had quite constructive talks. But unfortunately there appears to be something that takes Mike Battilana's full attention on this moment. I am trying to get back on track, but I think Hyperion and A-Eon are a bit more pressing for his attention at this moment ![]() |
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mhm. not exactly unexpected. on a positive side though, luckily no effort has been put into this so far, so nothing will be lost.
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No need to get personal, Michaelz. I just find it hard to find anything positive in this debacle, or just about anything relating to the Amiga trademarks and intellectual property.
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But don't forget; there is nearly nobody who acts out of pure individual interests alone. There is always another story that perhaps in the right perspective, is quite solid. I didn't want to make such a personal statement, but I found your comments very hard and personal towards the companies involved. If we as a community want to get them to be involved, we may need to give them at least some credit. They are after all, trying to do things for us. We are their potential market and we won't buy it (and thus sustain them) if they make absolute crap. |
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Hyperion on the other hand have at least tried to improve the OS; I disagree with some of the business and technical decisions they have made and of course the pace of development is disappointing (and I do think OS4 would have likely been better if developed by H&P as per the original plan) but I would not put them in the same basket as Cloanto by any means. |
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