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https://vintageapple.org/catalogs/pd..._Fall_1993.pdf
Quadra 660AV's cost is $2299 which includes the following items CPU: 68040 @ 25 Mhz, Co-processor: DSP3210 @ 55 Mhz, RAM: 8 MB, HDD: 230 MB, VRAM: 1 MB, Network: Ethernet, AppleTalk, 16-bit audio, Video In, Video Out, Geoport: telecom adapter enables fax and modem capabilities. This machine is designed for Adobe Premiere NLE. Quadra 605 cost is $979 which includes the following items CPU: 68LC040 @ 25 Mhz, RAM: 4 MB, HDD: 80 MB, VRAM: 512 KB, Network: AppleTalk, 16-bit audio, vs https://archive.org/details/amiga-wo...ge/n7/mode/2up Amigaworld, October 1993, Page 66 of 104 Amiga 4000/040 @ 25Mhz for $2299. Add Tooster Flyer for NLE capabilities. Add an Ethernet card for network capabilities. Apple's customer base spent 1.2 million PowerMacs in 1 year i.e. 1994. Apple replaced the 68040/DSP3210 Quadra with PowerMac with the PowerPC 601 in 1994. Quote:
I used Athlon XP 2000+ASUS A7N8X Deluxe (nForce2) for non-profit organization NLE video work. IEEE-1394 FireWire was used for bulk MPEG2 transfers from digital cams. MSI K7T133A Turbo-R https://www.anandtech.com/show/711/8 ASUS A7N8X Deluxe https://www.anandtech.com/show/1044/7 Before MSI K7T133A Turbo-R, I had Celeron 533Mhz with 440ZX. Quote:
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Timeline: In September 1990, Microsoft broke with I.B.M. over the role of Microsoft's increasingly popular Windows 3.0. The AIM alliance, also known as the PowerPC alliance, was formed on October 2, 1991, between Apple, IBM, and Motorola. Quote:
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My 1996 selection is based on games, hence the gaming PC (Pentium 150) is selected. Quote:
2. Windows 2.x 286/386 with Mac ports of Excel (1988) and Word 2.0 (1989) has dislodged text-based Lotus 123 and Word Prefect. Compaq was involved with MS's Windows 2.x 386 development and other clones followed. Quote:
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/c...lysis_1989.pdf Low-End PC Graphics Market Share by Standard Type Estimated Worldwide History and Forecast Total low-end PC graphic chipset shipment history and forecast 1987 = 9.2. million, VGA 16.4% market share i.e. 1.5088 million VGA. 1988 = 11.1 million, VGA 34.2% i.e. 1.51 million VGA. 1989 = 13.7 million, VGA 54.6% i.e. 3.80 million VGA. 1990 = 14.3 million, VGA 66.4% i.e. 9.50 million VGA. 1991 = 15.8 million, VGA 76.6% i.e. 12.10 million VGA. 1992 = 16.4 million, VGA 84.2% i.e. 13.81 million VGA. 1993 = 18.3 million, VGA 92.4% i.e. 16.9 million VGA. Apple had 1.2 million PowerMac unit sales in 1994. Quote:
What are VideoToaster unit sales? Can VideoToaster match Apple's 1.2 million unit sales in a single year? Fact: the Amiga didn't deliver video NLE to the masses. VideoToaster doesn't deliver general-purpose 24-bit graphics for the Amiga and the mass-produced wedge Amigas are closed off from it. Prove the A2000 has 1 million unit sales in 1 year! AGA's install base Germany: Amiga 1200 = 95,500 Amiga CD32 = 25,000 Amiga 4000/030 = 7,500 Amiga 4000/040 = 3,800 Sub-total: 131,800 https://web.archive.org/web/20230726...ory/sales.html UK: Amiga 1200 (Oct - Dec 1992) = 44,000 (Amiga Format May 1993) Amiga 1200 (Jan - Aug 1993) = 100,000 (Amiga Format September 1993) Amiga 1200 (Xmas 1993) = 160,000 (Amiga Format 56 Feb 1994) Amiga CD32 (Xmas 1993) = 70,000 (Amiga Format 56 Feb 1994) Sub-total: 374,000 AGA install base from Amiga's strongest markets: 505,800. Amiga 2200 (based on CD32), https://bigbookofamigahardware.com/b...uct.aspx?id=19 65,000 CD32 motherboards assigned to Amitech's Amiga 2200. Potential AGA install base: 570,800 units, in addition to Escom's 20,000 for A1200. Last edited by hammer; 03 June 2024 at 08:12. |
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These A 2200 would have sold in Germany quite well even in the Escom years. Are there still some forgotten containers somewhere on this planet? A landfill full of CD32 motherboards? This reminds me of the Apple Lisa rumors or the Atari game cartridges. Last edited by Gorf; 03 June 2024 at 16:33. |
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DOS was getting old and had a really bad user experience - Windows 3.0 was too demanding, not stable and look and feel was still terrible. Mac (USA) and Amiga (Europe) were able to step in as an alternative and gained momentum. With a better product lineup and earlier AGA, the Amiga could have established an enduring user base right there. But you can't do that with low-end machines targeting only kids and gamers alone, but you need to target a more semi-professional and power-user base. Last edited by Gorf; 03 June 2024 at 16:26. |
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What I see is a comparatively very small dip below 80% market share, hardly something I'd define "being under pressure" Unless you meant circa 1985, but then the following remarks about DOS basically dying wouldn't make sense. |
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It is clear reversal of a 10-year-long trend. The first time (and only time in this graph) PCs were actually losing marketshare. |
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I see your point but I'm still not sure it fits the definition of actually being under pressure.
I mean competition was hugely fragmented and only one was barely over 10% according to the graph. 1983-87 feels way closer to that definition if you ask me. |
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Well that dip in market share was bigger than amiga marketshare ever so if there was actually competitive machine with abundance of software and interesting for developers ...
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There was. The Macintosh, which pretty much spikes around the same time before dying off slowly again.
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We can see the Mac could take most advantage of the market situation here - probably mostly in the US. The Amiga initially also got its share increased - killing off the Atari ST in the process. But while the Mac was able to continue with a slight upward trend the following year, the Amiga plummeted. |
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![]() My point is... if C= did develop better machine, advertise it properly and set up new creative and popular software for it they might be the ones to eat that cake. But Macs weren't "cheapest possible" and they stole part of the market nevertheless. What is actual difference between 030 and 040 based Macs and Amiga? ![]() |
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If a PC card causes the A1200 to lock up it's not due to a bug in the PCMCIA port hardware. Most likely it's because the card is doing something naughty that just happens to be benign on most PCs. A Google search brings up plenty of complaints from PC users. Here's an example:- NI PCMCIA-CAN/2 crashes Windows XP Quote:
When Commodore developed the PCMCIA slot on the A600, the standard for PC cards had not yet been finalized. Furthermore the Amiga is not using one of the 'industry standard' PCMCIA interface chips designed for PC laptops, and even if it was the OS is very different so there are bound to be some compatibility issues. This is not Commodore's fault. There were compatibility issues with PCs running Linux too. Considering all that I think we are lucky that so many PC cards do work in the A600 and A1200. When I wrote my driver for CNet network cards I got a message from the maintainer of the iCard driver. He expressed surprise that I had managed to get it working. According to him the iCard was specially designed for the Amiga because the Amiga's PCMCIA slot was fundamentally incompatible with PC cards. |
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You are wrong about Windows 3.0. It was a big advance on the earlier version and was very popular. In its 2 year lifespan (before Windows 3.1) it sold ~10 million copies. More importantly, it included the most played computer game of all time, Microsoft Solitaire. If only Commodore had bundled a clone of that game on the Amiga, it might have gained a greater market share! Earlier AGA would have been great, for sure. The Amiga never targeted 'only kids and gamers', so there was nothing to worry about there. |
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7 years 250 pages of nothing. And now someone check it.
DoomAttack with Akiko C2P on CD32 + Fast (WicherCD32) run like on 386 [ Show youtube player ] It is good enough to let Commodore reach next level Hombre. Commodore bankrupt because AGA has not chunky pixels. Case closed. |
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[ Show youtube player ] i386DX-33 with ET4000 SVGA card running Doom. The cost difference between 68EC020-25 and 68EC020-16 is about $4. WicherCD32 supports 50 to 60 ns EDO RAM. https://www.datasheetcatalog.com/dat...805BJ-50.shtml HYB5117805BJ-50 EDO RAM example has a read/write cycle time of 84 ns which translates to 11.9 Mhz, about 47.6 MB/s 32-bit. The bottleneck is the 14 Mhz 68EC020 due to very low IPC. Ideally, the CPU should be able to deliver 47 MIPS for 47 MB/s but 68EC020 @ 14 Mhz with Fast RAM is below 3 MIPS. CD32 needs $20 DSP3210 (12.7 MIPS, 25 MFLOPS @ 50 Mhz, separate integer and floating point pipelines) when coupled with 120 ns read/write cycle time Fast RAM (33 MB/s effective). For small-budget transistor budgets, RISC and DSP have superior memory bandwidth usage. 040 class CPU is needed for this type of memory performance, but Motorola doesn't sell $20-to-$30 68LC040 CPUs, hence DSP3210 is selected as a candidate. Last edited by hammer; 04 June 2024 at 05:42. |
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