Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 250

spudje · 10 March 2022, 11:48

OK here are the new reports. GearsPPC windowed still crashes with same error.

Also Hyperion Quake2 (plus update) still won't run, shows grey screen and then black screen (no video signal).

Update, I have the exact same issue with Gears86k. It works full screen, it shows orange guru when running windowed & small. Reverting back to prometheus thread

Also with the PPC card removed, same behaviour (except I didn't test the PPC gears obviously

)

Prometheus DMA memory lister v 1.2
DMA memory detected, block listing...

Start End Size Owner
---------------------------------------------------------------
$40DFCC00 $40FFCBFF 2097152 FREE
---------------------------------------------------------------

OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan

openpci.library v2.1 opened
Bus Prometheus detected

----------------------------------
Internal Configuration Space infos
VendorID : $121a
DeviceID : $5
ClassRevision : $03000001
PCI_REVISION_ID $01
Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus)
PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $0057
Command : $0003
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY
PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00
----------------------------------
Pci Device Slot Num : 0, Func Num : 0
Vendor : 3dfx Interactive Inc
Device : Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000
VendorID : $121a
DeviceID : $5
ClassCode: 0x030000
IRQNumber: 5
MemAddr0 : $42000000 - $43ffffff 32768 kbytes
MemAddr1 : $40000000 - $41ffffff 32768 kbytes
IOAddr2 : $5fe01000 - $5fe010ff 256 bytes
RomAddr : $44010000 - $4401ffff
RomSize : 65536 bytes 64 kbytes
No Bus Master Capable
Card PCI_STATUS
Doesn't support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus
Accept fast-back to back
What's Enabled in the Card ?
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY

----------------------------------
Internal Configuration Space infos
VendorID : $1057
DeviceID : $480b
ClassRevision : $06000002
PCI_REVISION_ID $02
Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus)
PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $1057
Command : $0007
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY
Bus mastering PCI_COMMAND_MASTER
PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00
----------------------------------
Pci Device Slot Num : 2, Func Num : 0
Vendor : Motorola
Device :
VendorID : $1057
DeviceID : $480b
ClassCode: 0x060000
IRQNumber: 0
MemAddr0 : $44000000 - $44000fff 4 kbytes
MemAddr1 : $44001000 - $44001fff 4 kbytes
MemAddr2 : $48000000 - $4fffffff 131072 kbytes
MemAddr3 : $44040000 - $4407ffff 256 kbytes
Bus Master Capable
Card PCI_STATUS
Support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus
Accept fast-back to back
What's Enabled in the Card ?
I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO
Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY
Bus mastering PCI_COMMAND_MASTER
2048bytes MEM_PCI DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00
16384bytes MEM_PCI DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfd400
Free Mem 2048
2040bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00
Free Mem 2040
4096bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40e01400
Free Mem 4096
Free Mem 16384
300000 bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00
Free Mem 300000

Prmscan 1.6 by Grzegorz Kraszewski.
PCI cards listing:
-------------------------------------------------
Board in slot 0, function 0
Vendor: [1munknown ($121A)[0m
Device: [1munknown ($0005)[0m
Revision: 1.
Device class 03, subclass 00.
Address range: 42000000 - 43FFFFFF (32 MB).
Address range: 40000000 - 41FFFFFF (32 MB).
Address range: 5FE01000 - 5FE010FF (256 B).
64 kB of ROM at 44010000 - 4401FFFF.
Board driver: [32m3dfxVoodoo.chip[0m.
-------------------------------------------------
Board in slot 2, function 0
Vendor: [1munknown ($1057)[0m
Device: [1munknown ($480B)[0m
Revision: 2.
Device class 06, subclass 00.
Address range: 44000000 - 44000FFF (4 kB).
Address range: 44001000 - 44001FFF (4 kB).
Address range: 48000000 - 4FFFFFFF (128 MB).
Address range: 44040000 - 4407FFFF (256 kB).
Board driver: [32mpowerpc.library[0m.
-------------------------------------------------

Hedeon · 10 March 2022, 15:24

You should first try Q2 in 68K, or PPC in software rendering to rule out PPC and/or Warp3D.

But I strongly believe you have either a HW issue or some software acting up. Something in the S-S or U-S or maybe your 68060 library is acting up. (I recommend installing mmu libs from THOR).

spudje · 10 March 2022, 18:17

I'll start over again and make sure there is nu MMUlib to start with and use the 68060 lib from Thor.

TheMrKocour · 13 March 2022, 11:40

Hi, hi rebuild my A4000. I had nice working setup with Sonnet 7200. I rebuilded my A4000 into tower with new A4KD motherboard and ATX power supply and used the same Mediator, Voodoo and same system installation, but i ran into problems, my Sonnet wont work. I got this messege every time when i try to load PPC lib.

torsti76 · 13 March 2022, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMrKocour

Hi, hi rebuild my A4000. I had nice working setup with Sonnet 7200. I rebuilded my A4000 into tower with new A4KD motherboard and ATX power supply and used the same Mediator, Voodoo and same system installation, but i ran into problems, my Sonnet wont work. I got this messege every time when i try to load PPC lib.

My first hunch would be to suspect the ATX PSU. Can you measure the 5V line somewhere down the board, at some distance from the power connector? Many ATX supplies I've seen are notoriously bad at delivering a stable 5 V, which is crucial for the Sonnet.

Hedeon · 13 March 2022, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMrKocour

Hi, hi rebuild my A4000. I had nice working setup with Sonnet 7200. I rebuilded my A4000 into tower with new A4KD motherboard and ATX power supply and used the same Mediator, Voodoo and same system installation, but i ran into problems, my Sonnet wont work. I got this messege every time when i try to load PPC lib.

powerpc.library or ppc.library? Seeing it is a ramlib error, and the only library started by the powerpc.library is the ppc.library (from phx, if available), I was wondering.

grelbfarlk · 14 March 2022, 03:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by torsti76

My first hunch would be to suspect the ATX PSU. Can you measure the 5V line somewhere down the board, at some distance from the power connector? Many ATX supplies I've seen are notoriously bad at delivering a stable 5 V, which is crucial for the Sonnet.

Possible, also what ATX to A4000 cable is used, custom or the Amigakit one?

Trying to picture the setup, he's using the same A4000D motherboard and Mediator in a tower, so the PCI cards are hanging upside down?
Some pictures would be helpful.

BULI · 16 March 2022, 12:27

BTW

Because my Workbench screen is in 1920x1200x16bit a have not much VRAM memory with Voodoo3 (15MB VRAM)

So, I thought, why not use second GFX, like Radeon 9250

And this is result:
[ Show youtube player ]

Pluses of this solution:
+ DIGITAL output via DVI (Radeon)
+ 3D Hardware support via Warp3D (Voodoo3)
+ Much more VRAM in system aplikations (16MB + 32MB)
+ Support on both card video OVERLAY hardware

Minuses:
- less memory on PCI Ragnarok, now is 256MB (with only Voodoo3 was 384MB)

Timtheloon · 16 March 2022, 12:46

I was trying this 2 GFX cards with my A1200 build but I was getting lots of errors even without the PPC installed

Not tried it on the A4000

Did you have any issues or did it work straight away

BULI · 16 March 2022, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timtheloon

Did you have any issues or did it work straight away

Of course, that I had problems :-)
I had to find out how P96 works with multiple monitors/drivers (proper ID, corect screen mode in P96 Prefs) i was the most problematic.

After all, video OVERLAY didn't work correct on Radeon- the problem was in config Radeon Driver in ENV/Mediator.
After enabling the RadeonMemOs parameter, OVERLAY started working.

Here You can see 3 monitors in action on Amiga and MACintosh.
[ Show youtube player ]

grelbfarlk · 17 March 2022, 03:06

I'm not entirely sure when you are running out of VRAM in normal usage, rather than having an extra 128MB on the PPC, please elaborate.
This is quite cool though, I thought I read somewhere that the new P96 allows multiple workbench screens with different graphics cards, or maybe that was one RTG+AGA. Though for some reason the new P96 is impacting Warp3D performance, so that might be a bit of a mixed bag. Check that out too.

BULI · 17 March 2022, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

I'm not entirely sure when you are running out of VRAM in normal usage, rather than having an extra 128MB on the PPC, please elaborate.

Game like "Smokin' Guns" use huge size of VRAM, on some maps, when I have too little VRAM (workbench screen 1920x1200x16BIt + bitmaps/paterns on screen/windows) in some places my frame rate drops to 1 or 0 FPS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

This is quite cool though, I thought I read somewhere that the new P96 allows multiple workbench screens with different graphics cards, or maybe that was one RTG+AGA.

I use old-oryginal P96 (before upgrading from Jeans).

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

Though for some reason the new P96 is impacting Warp3D performance, so that might be a bit of a mixed bag. Check that out too.

Warp3d with Voodoo3 and "Sonnet.library" is faster with NEW P96, or slower?

Hedeon · 17 March 2022, 10:15

Slower. I think we pinpointed rtg.library as the culprit. But I can't be bothered with bug reports anymore after being ignored by the OS4 team and the P96 team.

What if I told you that there has been a WOS Radeon W3D driver for 5 years now.

trixster · 17 March 2022, 12:34

I wouldn’t believe you

dayowalker · 17 March 2022, 12:52

You mean for OS3.x for sure, don’t you?

Timtheloon · 17 March 2022, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

What if I told you that there has been a WOS Radeon W3D driver for 5 years now.

Would be nice if it was released to the general public, loads of testers here

I remember them screenshots blowing my voodoo out the water

DarrenHD · 17 March 2022, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timtheloon

Would be nice if it was released to the general public, loads of testers here

I remember them screenshots blowing my voodoo out the water

Is that the hacked Elbox one that Elbox threatened the programmer on releasing?

BULI · 17 March 2022, 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Slower. I think we pinpointed rtg.library as the culprit. But I can't be bothered with bug reports anymore after being ignored by the OS4 team and the P96 team.

I know, this is sad, but true, that is why I'm using old P96.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

What if I told you that there has been a WOS Radeon W3D driver for 5 years now.

I'm not suprised, probably I saw a few samples (FPS in Quake), but it's sad that I can't test it, even if I want to pay for it

grelbfarlk · 18 March 2022, 04:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by BULI

Game like "Smokin' Guns" use huge size of VRAM, on some maps, when I have too little VRAM (workbench screen 1920x1200x16BIt + bitmaps/paterns on screen/windows) in some places my frame rate drops to 1 or 0 FPS.

I use old-oryginal P96 (before upgrading from Jeans).

And this is improved by using Radeon RAM as Mediator swap space? 13MB vs 15MB on the Voodoo as P96 available VRAM?
I guess I could see it because my workbench is smaller usually, maybe 1000x600x16 or 1280x720x16.

Cowcat · 18 March 2022, 12:42

"Smokin' Guns" is not the perfect example of good maps, even the MOS port suffers a little with a GFX/32mg VRAM. But it's ok to check out stuff. (Reminder: Gotta upgrade the crap of it).

But with a big Radeon driver.....

Post 5000 ! Did I win something ?

10 March 2022, 11:48	#4981
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,408	OK here are the new reports. GearsPPC windowed still crashes with same error. Also Hyperion Quake2 (plus update) still won't run, shows grey screen and then black screen (no video signal). Update, I have the exact same issue with Gears86k. It works full screen, it shows orange guru when running windowed & small. Reverting back to prometheus thread Also with the PPC card removed, same behaviour (except I didn't test the PPC gears obviously ) Prometheus DMA memory lister v 1.2 DMA memory detected, block listing... Start End Size Owner --------------------------------------------------------------- $40DFCC00 $40FFCBFF 2097152 FREE --------------------------------------------------------------- OpenPciInfo v1.5 12.03.2005 by Titan openpci.library v2.1 opened Bus Prometheus detected ---------------------------------- Internal Configuration Space infos VendorID : $121a DeviceID : $5 ClassRevision : $03000001 PCI_REVISION_ID $01 Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus) PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $0057 Command : $0003 I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00 ---------------------------------- Pci Device Slot Num : 0, Func Num : 0 Vendor : 3dfx Interactive Inc Device : Voodoo3 All Voodoo3 chips, 3000 VendorID : $121a DeviceID : $5 ClassCode: 0x030000 IRQNumber: 5 MemAddr0 : $42000000 - $43ffffff 32768 kbytes MemAddr1 : $40000000 - $41ffffff 32768 kbytes IOAddr2 : $5fe01000 - $5fe010ff 256 bytes RomAddr : $44010000 - $4401ffff RomSize : 65536 bytes 64 kbytes No Bus Master Capable Card PCI_STATUS Doesn't support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus Accept fast-back to back What's Enabled in the Card ? I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY ---------------------------------- Internal Configuration Space infos VendorID : $1057 DeviceID : $480b ClassRevision : $06000002 PCI_REVISION_ID $02 Header Type : $00 (0=Normal/1=Bridge/2=Cardbus) PCI_SUBSYSTEM_ID $1057 Command : $0007 I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY Bus mastering PCI_COMMAND_MASTER PCI_LATENCY_TIMER : $00 ---------------------------------- Pci Device Slot Num : 2, Func Num : 0 Vendor : Motorola Device : VendorID : $1057 DeviceID : $480b ClassCode: 0x060000 IRQNumber: 0 MemAddr0 : $44000000 - $44000fff 4 kbytes MemAddr1 : $44001000 - $44001fff 4 kbytes MemAddr2 : $48000000 - $4fffffff 131072 kbytes MemAddr3 : $44040000 - $4407ffff 256 kbytes Bus Master Capable Card PCI_STATUS Support 66 Mhz PCI 2.1 bus Accept fast-back to back What's Enabled in the Card ? I/O space PCI_COMMAND_IO Memory space PCI_COMMAND_MEMORY Bus mastering PCI_COMMAND_MASTER 2048bytes MEM_PCI DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00 16384bytes MEM_PCI DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfd400 Free Mem 2048 2040bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00 Free Mem 2040 4096bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40e01400 Free Mem 4096 Free Mem 16384 300000 bytes MEM_NONCACHEABLE DMA Mem Allocated : 40dfcc00 Free Mem 300000 Prmscan 1.6 by Grzegorz Kraszewski. PCI cards listing: ------------------------------------------------- Board in slot 0, function 0 Vendor: [1munknown ($121A)[0m Device: [1munknown ($0005)[0m Revision: 1. Device class 03, subclass 00. Address range: 42000000 - 43FFFFFF (32 MB). Address range: 40000000 - 41FFFFFF (32 MB). Address range: 5FE01000 - 5FE010FF (256 B). 64 kB of ROM at 44010000 - 4401FFFF. Board driver: [32m3dfxVoodoo.chip[0m. ------------------------------------------------- Board in slot 2, function 0 Vendor: [1munknown ($1057)[0m Device: [1munknown ($480B)[0m Revision: 2. Device class 06, subclass 00. Address range: 44000000 - 44000FFF (4 kB). Address range: 44001000 - 44001FFF (4 kB). Address range: 48000000 - 4FFFFFFF (128 MB). Address range: 44040000 - 4407FFFF (256 kB). Board driver: [32mpowerpc.library[0m. ------------------------------------------------- Last edited by spudje; 10 March 2022 at 15:10.

13 March 2022, 11:40	#4984
TheMrKocour Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Age: 23 Posts: 34	Hi, hi rebuild my A4000. I had nice working setup with Sonnet 7200. I rebuilded my A4000 into tower with new A4KD motherboard and ATX power supply and used the same Mediator, Voodoo and same system installation, but i ran into problems, my Sonnet wont work. I got this messege every time when i try to load PPC lib. Attached Thumbnails

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10 March 2022, 15:24	#4982
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,039	You should first try Q2 in 68K, or PPC in software rendering to rule out PPC and/or Warp3D. But I strongly believe you have either a HW issue or some software acting up. Something in the S-S or U-S or maybe your 68060 library is acting up. (I recommend installing mmu libs from THOR).

10 March 2022, 18:17	#4983
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,408	I'll start over again and make sure there is nu MMUlib to start with and use the 68060 lib from Thor.

16 March 2022, 12:27	#4988
BULI Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Rzeszów Posts: 404	BTW Because my Workbench screen is in 1920x1200x16bit a have not much VRAM memory with Voodoo3 (15MB VRAM) So, I thought, why not use second GFX, like Radeon 9250 And this is result: [ Show youtube player ] Pluses of this solution: + DIGITAL output via DVI (Radeon) + 3D Hardware support via Warp3D (Voodoo3) + Much more VRAM in system aplikations (16MB + 32MB) + Support on both card video OVERLAY hardware Minuses: - less memory on PCI Ragnarok, now is 256MB (with only Voodoo3 was 384MB)

16 March 2022, 12:46	#4989
Timtheloon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Portsmouth / United Kingdom Posts: 303	I was trying this 2 GFX cards with my A1200 build but I was getting lots of errors even without the PPC installed Not tried it on the A4000 Did you have any issues or did it work straight away

17 March 2022, 03:06	#4991
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,963	I'm not entirely sure when you are running out of VRAM in normal usage, rather than having an extra 128MB on the PPC, please elaborate. This is quite cool though, I thought I read somewhere that the new P96 allows multiple workbench screens with different graphics cards, or maybe that was one RTG+AGA. Though for some reason the new P96 is impacting Warp3D performance, so that might be a bit of a mixed bag. Check that out too.

17 March 2022, 10:15	#4993
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,039	Slower. I think we pinpointed rtg.library as the culprit. But I can't be bothered with bug reports anymore after being ignored by the OS4 team and the P96 team. What if I told you that there has been a WOS Radeon W3D driver for 5 years now.

17 March 2022, 12:34	#4994
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,356	I wouldn’t believe you

17 March 2022, 12:52	#4995
dayowalker Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: NRW/ Germany Posts: 21	You mean for OS3.x for sure, don’t you?

18 March 2022, 12:42	#5000
Cowcat Registered User Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Mallorca Posts: 764	"Smokin' Guns" is not the perfect example of good maps, even the MOS port suffers a little with a GFX/32mg VRAM. But it's ok to check out stuff. (Reminder: Gotta upgrade the crap of it). But with a big Radeon driver..... Post 5000 ! Did I win something ?

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