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Sun Microsystems Sun-1 (68000@10MHz) released in 1982: $8900.00 Capcom CPS (68000@10MHz) released in 1988: $9800.00 Sharp X68000 (68000@10MHz) released in 1987: $2500.00 SNK Neo-Geo (68000@12MHz) released in 1990: $650.00 Capcom CPS Changer (68000@10MHz) released in 1994: ~$700.00 Now compare to the launch prices of the ~7MHz 68000 systems: Apple Macintosh (68000@7.8MHz) released in 1984: $2495.00 Commodore Amiga 1000 (68000@7.16MHz) released in 1985: $1285.00 Atari ST (68000@8MHz) released in 1985: ~$1000.00 Commodore Amiga 500 (68000@7.16MHz) released in 1987: ~$700.00 SEGA Mega Drive (68000@7.6MHz) released in 1988: ~$190.00 |
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Ask Hammer - he will provide for sure exhaustive list full of numbers - i have impression that since 1989/1990 68000@16MHz will be not so expensive - at worse comparable to price of 68EC020@16MHz one or two years later. Also Atari MEGA ST shows this design approach i.e. focus on low cost machine capable to deal directly with dumb laser printer (if i recall correctly SLM804 with removed memory and high power CPU to perform rasterization). |
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You only start spending (the absolute minimum) when it looks more than 80% likely that your revenue streams will start to dip. And not a minute before. |
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Well... this is obvious - history already happened. Commodore is no longer living company, Amiga is dead platform, we are like MD Frankenstein trying to put life in a dead body - of course some of us are even trying to perform cadaver synod over dead body of Irving Gould but "It is done".
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"The A2000 was a good idea in all respects except it turned our sweet litle high-tech box into this big industrial strength metal clad tank of a computer. It was contrary to what we wanted in terms of the cool sex appeal of the original Amiga."I chose the A1000 for its cool looking case design, but I probably shouldn't have. After attaching a couple of boxes to the side it didn't look so sexy. I was jealous of my A2000-owning friends who could hide all kinds of stuff inside the box. And it had space for a CD-ROM drive! That's when I developed this:- Wish I had kept that machine! Made up for it with my latest purchase - another A1010 floppy drive. Still sexy! Quote:
The way to really get the cost down was make an all-in-one unit with higher integration - ie. the A500. But Jay Miner didn't want that, He talked about not changing anything in the A1000 when he was pushing for VRAM and higher resolutions. Quote:
In any case the A500 you hated went on to sell several million units and become the most revered home computer with a software base rivaling the entire PC industry. If you had helped rather than hindered efforts to reach the masses it might done even better. Maybe put aside your anti-PC bias and design an ECS chipset with 256 color chunky mode instead of that useless hi-res workstation screen. |
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Both Commodore Germany and Los Gatos teams didn't partition Amiga's OCS for easy upgrades. Reminder, 1993 3DO's 3D acceleration is OpenLara capable. [ Show youtube player ] Most 3DO games didn't show 3DO's power difference from fast 386DX and 486SX PCs since ARM60 @ 12.5 Mhz is just 68030-40 / 386SX-40 class CPUs. Software sells the hardware. Last edited by hammer; 25 May 2024 at 07:06. |
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Steve Jobs made sure the Macintosh have "next gen" GUI based MS Excel as one of its killer apps. MS Excel for Mac was released before Lotus's solution. Macintosh WIMP GUI-compliant MS Excel, MS Word (wysiwyg), Aldus PageMaker were introduced in 1985 along with 512K Macintosh. Microsoft's Excel and Word for Macintosh sets up the situation for Windows 2.0's rise and 1990 Windows 3.0 tsunamis. Microsoft ported Mac's Excel 2.1 in 1988 and Mac's Word 2.0 for Windows 2.0 and exploited Windows/386 (Windows 2.1 for 386) and the VGA standard. Aldus PageMaker 3.0 was also released for Windows 2.0 in 1988. These markets are larger than A2000's video market. During Windows 2.0 era, OS/2 only works with IBM printers. Windows 2.0 situation weakens IBM's OS/2 and DOS based Lotus 123 and Word Prefect. On next generation GUI based professional apps, PC was behind by about 2.5 years behind Mac. Amiga's Word Prefect 4.x was ported from MS-DOS version. Amiga's 1988 word processing apps are KindWords 1.0 and ProWrite 1.x (Atari ST port). https://bytecellar.com/wp-content/up...prowrite_1.jpg Amiga's ProWrite 1.11. A2000 didn't have stable 640x400 resolution. A2000 wasn't mass produced like A500. A500 looks like toy. ECS should have been released in 1988. ECS's 1990 release is too late. There's "read my lips, no new chips" directive during A3000 development. A500 Rev 6A ECS Agnus and reserve 2MB Chip RAM capability existed in 1989, hence it's R&D occurred in 1988 time scale. https://www.facebook.com/oldcrap.org...41761056/?_rdr Atari Mega ST released around 1986. Quote:
The A2000 couldn't leverage A500's mass production. https://bigbookofamigahardware.com/b...t.aspx?id=1829 Amitech's Amiga 2200 clone used Commodore Canada's common CD32 board with Amitech's Agent 88 board. Agent 88 board restores most of A4000's functionality with extras of its own e.g. A1200 internal edge connector. Quote:
Los Gatos team should stay in Amiga chipset R&D. 128 colors weren't enough. R&D is required for VRAM enabled chipset and AAA is not enough in the 1990s due to 3D. I wouldn't allocate form factor case R&D to Los Gatos team. http://amiga.resource.cx/adcoll/adcoll.pl?id=paljr&pg=5 This double stacked A1000 has Fast RAM at C00000. A500 team used C00000 as CPU only Slow RAM expansion. Witcher 508i accelerator card and PiStorm-Emu68 can enable C00000 as Fast RAM. Last edited by hammer; 25 May 2024 at 07:11. |
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The dual video chip system might seem like a huge kludge, but many PC users had a similar setup with MDA and CGA cards (MDA for hi-res text, CGA for color graphics and games). The VIC chip wasn't going to do hi-res text and most TVs couldn't display it clearly enough, so having a separate RGB video output made sense. And it wasn't 'low colors'. The C128 had 80 column text in 16 colors, ideal for business (and faster than the Amiga), which could also be used to display color images. 480x252 640x480 interlace The on-board Z80 might seem a bit strange too, but there were users who wanted CP/M, and it was cheaper to put it on the motherboard than in a cartridge. The Z80 also helped with C64 compatibility. Bil Herd... Quote:
The C128 had some warts for sure ('jail bars' in composite, slow Z80, even slower CP/M), but it was a much better machine for 'serious' use than the C64 while still being 100% compatible with it. Furthermore it looked a lot more serious, without giving up the familiar home computer form factor. |
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Macintosh hit the 1 million mark in March 1987 (1) with a very healthy profit margin. 1. https://www.cultofmac.com/479113/tod...aring-success/ Quote:
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CP/M Z80 doesn't run CP/M X86. During 1985, DR CP/M was dying due to MS-DOS-PC clones. DR attempted GEM Desktop 1.0 for X86 PC and for 68K based Atari ST's TOS. DR GEM Desktop 1.0 detected IBM PCs and locked out PC clones like Compaq. Compaq wasn't happy with the situation. DR reversed their decision to lockout PC clones, but the damage is done. DR GEM Desktop 2.0 1986 was crushed by Windows/386 2.01 1987 release for Compaq 386s. Compaq was heavily involved in the development of Windows/386, having introduced the first i386-based IBM PC compatible machine in 1986, almost a year before IBM itself. Microsoft released Mac port Excel for Windows 2.0 in 1988. Quote:
From 1985 to 1989, C128's unit sales are 2.5 million. "Exceeded expectations" is meaningless in absolute numbers. In the US market, C64's gaming segment was under assault by NES's October 1985 North America release. C64's North American sales peaked between 1983 and 1985 and gradually tapered off afterward. The bulk of C64's sales shifted to Europe. C64's success wasn't carried over to the Amiga. Nintendo supported low-cost accelerators inside game cartridges for NES and the same tactics were used for SNES. A500 didn't properly replace C64 due to A500 wasn't cost-reduced enough e.g. two CIAs+Gary integration like on CD32's Akiko (two CIAs, Budgie, Gayle). A600 cost more than A500. A500 wasn't officially bundled with a C64 emulator. Text-based Multiplan is old and Microsoft knows it's NOT enough for Mac GUI "next gen" and defeating DOS based Lotus 123. https://archive.org/details/mac_MSMultiplan_1.11 Microsoft Multiplan on the Macintosh and Microsoft is aware this is not enough, hence Excel for the Macintosh was release. During 1990 to 1992 Q3, the Amiga platform wasn't building a 256-colors install base while SNES was building its install base from 1990. The Atari ST mentality is to build a slightly better Tandy 1000 or slightly better EGA (Atari ST is missing hardware C2P, EGA has some hardware scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_tile_refresh) and this mentality was applied for AGA against VGA or SNES. Text-based Lotus 123 lost its dominance due to the late Mac entry and late Windows 2.0 entry. C128/C64's text-based Multiplan died along with text-based Lotus 123. Your argument sounded like this guy's [ Show youtube player ] Ballmer listed $99 Motorola phone with Windows Mobile's use case features... Missing the crasftmanship with the OS. [ Show youtube player ] Steve Jobs on the role of product and marketing people. Last edited by hammer; 25 May 2024 at 10:14. |
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But software can’t sell the hardware alone if the hardware is priced out of the market it’s aimed at, $699 was Neo-Geo expensive at launch, and even when it did come down in 1994 it was still too much. Launched in the UK at £399, nobody was buying consoles for £400! Even Sega found this out in the summer of 1995 when it launched the Saturn for £399! Despite a good launch in Japan, software does not sell the hardware….has to be a balance. |
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Neo Geo's strong 2D focus is aging and not price competitive against SNES's strong 2D at low cost e.g. $199 USD. PS1 has $299 nuke on Sega Saturn's $399. Many of the initial Saturn games are aging 3D titles. EA is not enough e.g 3D accelerated Road Rush texture map 3D racing chase. Crash n Burn is not enough. Tomb Raider is an action adventure. Name a 3DO game in the same class as Tomb Raider? 3DO has Wing Commander III (1994) port from PC. EA's "Need for Speed" wasn't a console exclusive. Large chunks of 3DO's games are like PC's Rebel Assault style CD-ROM games on rails, ports of European "last gen" Amiga 2D games, Microcosm (CD-ROM game on rails), fast 386DX-40 Doom results, some fast 386DX texture map 3D ports, Mortal Kombat 2D knockoffs. Shovelware is on 3DO. 3DO missed IndyCar Racing (1993, PC), IndyCar Racing II (1994, PC), Doom II (1994, PC, ported to PS1), Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992, PC, ported to PS1, EA purchased Ultima in 1992), The Elder Scrolls: Arena (1994, PC), Star Wars: TIE Fighter (1994, PC), System Shock (1994, PC), Rise of the Triad (1994, PC), Heretic (1994, PC), Hexen: Beyond Heretic (1995, PC, ported to PS1), Star Wars: Dark Forces (1995, PC, ported to PS1), Duke Nukem 3D (1996, PC, ported to PS1/Saturn/N64), The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall (1996), MDK (1997, PC, port to PS1). 3DO didn't have a chance. PS1 game scene was to able sustain texture mapped 3D Pentium class consistency. Sony has a tighter game quality control. PS1 has Grand Thief Auto, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy 7, Crash Bandicoot, Grand Tourismo and etc. 1st party 3D games from PS1 exclusives can compete against gaming PC's exclusives. PS1 was launched in Q4 1994 Japan which blocked 3DO in Sony's Japanese home market. N64 has Legend of Zelda in 3D, adventure action 3D game. Strong exclusives sells the platform. N64 was launched in 1996. Gaming PC switched to Pentium class gaming when PS1 released in west's Q4 1995. PC was building Pentium install base since 1993. Pentium 150 based PC clone reached my usual $1500-to-$1600 AUD range in 1996. That's $1000 USD range. The Amiga has Phase 5's costly 68060 and CGX experience in 1995 starting from ground zero and bound by a few thousands of A2000/A3000/A4000. Last edited by hammer; 26 May 2024 at 05:09. |
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Honey production in 1987 from producers with 5 or more hives totaled 227 million pounds (103 thousand metric tons), up 13 percent from 1986. There were 3.19 million colonies producing the honey, down slightly from 1986. Colonies that produced honey in more than one State were counted in each State, and calculated yield would therefore be reduced. Yield per colony averaged 71.1 pounds, up from 62.5 pounds in 1986. Stocks were 33.1 million pounds or 14.6 percent of production. Problems developed late in the year as infestation of the Varroa mite were discovered.
Honey Prices Prices for the 1987 honey crop averaged 50.7 cents per pounds, down 0.4 cents from the 1986 price of 51.1 cents per pound. Prices are based on sales to private processors and co-ops, and on retail sales by producers. Prices for each color are derived by weighting price for each month of sale by the quantity sold. Higher prices for the amber honeys reflect the larger proportion of retail sales relative to the white honey class. All government payments and loans are excluded from the honey prices published in this report. U.S. Honey Prices by Color Class, 1987 and 1986 Color Class Price Cemts Per Pound 1986 1987 Water White, Extra White, and White (0-34 MM) 49.5 48.9 Extra Light Amber (35-50MM) 52.7 52.2 Light Amber, Amber and Dark Amber (51+ MM) 51.9 52.0 All Other Honey - Area Specialties 53.7 58.9 All Honey 51.1 50.7 |
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### Honey Production in 1987 In 1987, the United States produced approximately 181 million pounds of honey. Honey production involved the maintenance of bee colonies, primarily managed by commercial beekeepers, who harvested honey from beehives. The honey industry was valued for its contribution not just to food production but also to agriculture through pollination services provided by bees. ### Maple Syrup Production in 1987 In contrast, the production of maple syrup in the United States was significantly smaller in volume compared to honey. In 1987, the U.S. produced approximately 1.24 million gallons of maple syrup. Maple syrup production was concentrated in the northeastern states, with Vermont being the leading producer. The process involved tapping sugar maple trees to collect sap, which was then boiled down to create syrup. ### Comparison of Production 1. **Volume**: Honey production far exceeded maple syrup production by weight. For reference, 1 gallon of maple syrup weighs about 11 pounds, so the total U.S. production of maple syrup in 1987 was about 13.64 million pounds, which is substantially less than the 181 million pounds of honey. 2. **Geographic Concentration**: Honey was produced widely across the United States, while maple syrup production was concentrated in the northeastern states and a few parts of Canada. ### Qualities of Maple Syrup over Honey 1. **Flavor Profile**: - **Maple Syrup**: Offers a unique, rich, and complex flavor profile that includes caramel, vanilla, and a hint of smokiness, depending on the grade and region of production. The flavor can vary from light and delicate to dark and robust. - **Honey**: Has a wide range of flavors, depending on the floral sources. Honey can be floral, fruity, earthy, or herbal. The flavor intensity can vary widely based on the type of flowers the bees pollinate. 2. **Nutritional Content**: - **Maple Syrup**: Contains higher levels of certain minerals, such as manganese and zinc. It also has antioxidants and contains fewer calories per tablespoon compared to honey. - **Honey**: Rich in antioxidants and has antimicrobial properties. It contains vitamins and minerals like vitamin C, calcium, and iron. 3. **Culinary Uses**: - **Maple Syrup**: Typically used as a topping for pancakes, waffles, and oatmeal. It is also used as a sweetener in baking, marinades, and glazes. - **Honey**: Versatile in cooking and baking. It can be used as a sweetener for tea, in dressings, sauces, and as a spread. Honey also serves as a natural preservative and an ingredient in skincare products. 4. **Health Benefits**: - **Maple Syrup**: Known for its anti-inflammatory properties and lower glycemic index compared to refined sugars, making it a slightly better option for those managing blood sugar levels. - **Honey**: Known for its antibacterial and wound-healing properties. Raw honey, in particular, retains enzymes and antioxidants that can be beneficial for health. 5. **Shelf Life**: - **Maple Syrup**: Requires refrigeration after opening to prevent mold growth. It has a limited shelf life compared to honey. - **Honey**: Has a virtually indefinite shelf life if stored properly. Honey can crystallize over time, but it remains safe to eat and can be liquefied by warming. ### Conclusion While both honey and maple syrup have unique qualities and applications, honey production was significantly higher in volume compared to maple syrup in 1987. Maple syrup, however, is prized for its distinctive flavor and higher mineral content, making it a unique and valued sweetener in culinary applications. Honey's versatility, health benefits, and longer shelf life make it an indispensable pantry staple. |
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When Microsoft didn't copy iOS for Windows Mobile via tile-based UI which is a retro back to Windows 1.0, MS lost the mobile phone business. Google Android roughly copied Apple's iOS, hence Android gained the mobile phone business. Excel 2.1 for Windows 2.x is a Mac port. Word 2.0 for Windows 2.x is a Mac port. This sets up the situation to unseat text-based Lotus 123, Word Prefect and WordStar. The Amiga has the option to run Mac version of MS Excel and MS Word, but this is leveraging the Macintosh platform. I used Mac's MS Word on my A3000 via 1995 Shapeshifter. AMax before Shapeshifter. [ Show youtube player ] AMax II on A3000. [ Show youtube player ] Amax II on A500. 1. ECS should have been released in 1988. 2. Develop a common Amiga card for A500 and A2000 product segments like the later Amitech / Commodore Canada's A2200 clone and CD32. The mass-produced small A500 card could scale from A500-B, A1000-B and A2000-B. Further cost reduction applied such integrating two CIAs and Gary. 16-bit Fast RAM memory controller should been integrated into 16-bit Akiko. PC ISA bus integration into 16-bit Akiko for ISA-based IDE and later PCMCIA. Might as well use the ISA slots in the A2000. This should occur between 1987 to 1988 for 16-bit Amigas which sets up 32-bit Amigas. This avoids the later IDE mandate interference when the focus should be graphics and 3D R&D. Quote:
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I can’t read anymore of this A.I bot posting walls of text! Why can’t you talk normally instead of just pasting ‘facts’ copy and pasted from wikipedia!? Goodbye Hammer!
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