Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 226

grelbfarlk · 08 March 2021, 14:18

We'll just have to get a PPC Mac emulator running so we can run Lightwave instead.

jkdsteve · 09 March 2021, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by grelbfarlk

We'll just have to get a PPC Mac emulator running so we can run Lightwave instead.

Well I found my old iFusion installation....sadly not managed to locate to SCSI drive I had OS9 install on.

Does it boot?

grelbfarlk · 09 March 2021, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkdsteve

Well I found my old iFusion installation....sadly not managed to locate to SCSI drive I had OS9 install on.

Does it boot?

No. Ifusion doesn't work, will probably never work. See discussion a couple pages back.

mgfalc · 09 March 2021, 04:51

Amazing thread and information! Thanks for all the work to date!!!

Some help needed please!

Every time I startup Warp3D software with the PPC, I get "Exception: Data Storage" errors (screen shot below) does anyone know what this means?

I've searched through the thread and I can't see anything that relates. Apologies in advance if I missed something.

Current Setup:

Amiga 4000T
A3640 Rev3.2
16mb Fast RAM
3.1.4 Kickstart ROMS
Elbox Mediator 3V MK-III
Technobox 4930 PMC
Emerson "Apocalypse" PPC G4 450Mhz, 128Mb
Voodoo3 3000
Elbox Spider2 USB
Pioneer SCSI Slot CD/DVD
IDE to CF/SD HDD

What I know works (and is stable):

InitPPC - startups quickly, no errors
pciinfo - demonstrates ram being allocated after initppc command
Bogomips - output 909 bogomips
Gears 68k Warp Demo (Gears PPC demo's don't work)
WarpUP Voxelspace Demo - 25FPS @ 640x480
Various P96 screen modes - 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc.

Hedeon · 09 March 2021, 11:12

Seems like an error opening a library. What does SnoopDOS say?

trixster · 09 March 2021, 12:32

To anyone with warp3d ppc issues; try ditching the aminet warp3dppc files and use the elbox ones instead

torsti76 · 09 March 2021, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

To anyone with warp3d ppc issues; try ditching the aminet warp3dppc files and use the elbox ones instead

But only on Mediator based setups, right?

trixster · 09 March 2021, 12:42

I’d say so, but worth a try with Prometheus if you’re still stuck.

We’ve just got mgfalc’s issues sorted by swapping over to the elbox files

MoonDragn · 09 March 2021, 17:47

I wish these PCI expansions were not so expensive. I have a ton of PCI cards lying around.

Hedeon · 09 March 2021, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixster

To anyone with warp3d ppc issues; try ditching the aminet warp3dppc files and use the elbox ones instead

Thought everyone knew by now that the Aminet ones are for G-Rex and Prometheus. I mean...the readme even states it.

jkdsteve · 09 March 2021, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Thought everyone knew by now that the Aminet ones are for G-Rex and Prometheus. I mean...the readme even states it.

Not only that, the Mediator setup script does not install the files correctly if you use a big box Mediator - I had to copy them over by hand.

It is conceivable that it was due to previous install of RADEON but I'm not the only one to have this issue and also seen posts about people saying their A1200 version copied over the big box files :-/

trixster · 09 March 2021, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

Thought everyone knew by now that the Aminet ones are for G-Rex and Prometheus. I mean...the readme even states it.

I guess not! I noticed the difference in file size between the ones on his system and those on mine, so suggested a swap to the elbox ones. It was your message earlier about a possible library error that made me think of that

grelbfarlk · 09 March 2021, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonDragn

I wish these PCI expansions were not so expensive. I have a ton of PCI cards lying around.

They aren't so expensive compared to buying the Zorro versions of all this stuff. Two of my MK-2 mediators I picked up used for a little over $100.

If you compare buying Zorro versions of an RTG board, Ethernet or Sound it all ends up being about the same price or slightly cheaper, before you consider what it costs for a CSPPC.

I'm not really sure what a redesign of the Prometheus would cost Prometheus for a non-AA3000+ version. But I can't imagine it would cost less than $150 in parts, cost of assembly and testing and recoup of redesign time and it's probably up over $300, just like the Mediator.

trixster · 10 March 2021, 18:29

Cosmos has made a 4000D firestorm prometheus, as has a guy on A1K. I'll ask them what the final cost was.

Hedeon · 10 March 2021, 21:11

Hese made one too. I think he posted in this thread about it.....somewhere :-)

Timtheloon · 10 March 2021, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgfalc

Amazing thread and information! Thanks for all the work to date!!!

Some help needed please!

Every time I startup Warp3D software with the PPC, I get "Exception: Data Storage" errors (screen shot below) does anyone know what this means?

I've searched through the thread and I can't see anything that relates. Apologies in advance if I missed something.

Current Setup:

Amiga 4000T
A3640 Rev3.2
16mb Fast RAM
3.1.4 Kickstart ROMS
Elbox Mediator 3V MK-III
Technobox 4930 PMC
Emerson "Apocalypse" PPC G4 450Mhz, 128Mb
Voodoo3 3000
Elbox Spider2 USB
Pioneer SCSI Slot CD/DVD
IDE to CF/SD HDD

What I know works (and is stable):

InitPPC - startups quickly, no errors
pciinfo - demonstrates ram being allocated after initppc command
Bogomips - output 909 bogomips
Gears 68k Warp Demo (Gears PPC demo's don't work)
WarpUP Voxelspace Demo - 25FPS @ 640x480
Various P96 screen modes - 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc.

Hi @mgfalc

How did you get on? I've got a similar setup and have got warp3D to work with my A4KT with 3.1.4 kickstart roms, there are some differences which are my mediator is a MKII so I have to use a ramix PMC carrier and my Accelerator is a A3660

I was wondering if you want a copy of my system image to see if it will work on yours?

Also how are you cooling your PPC on the Technobox 4930 PMC

Timtheloon · 10 March 2021, 22:00

Hello all

Due to the apocalypse working with my A4KT

I returned my Sonnet back to the Alice A4k Mediator 4000D MKIII setup expecting all to be good how wrong was I

So on initial start up it said could not allocate VGA memory this was due to VoodooMemOS stating No so returned to Yes and Sonnet started happy days but my happiness was short lived I could do the Warp3D ppc demos no problem but any game would result in a crash more or less instantly

I finally discovered that it seems to be the SpiderUSB card with it remove blitzquake and wipeout start up and run correctly. is this a known issue or is there additional steps which I am missing? I’ve tried lots of different pci slot configuration which are limited due to the ram location on the Sonnet but always the same or worse.

I also tried @hedeons new Beta libs from post #4394 on my Mediator but same issue with usb card but without the usb card blitzquake loaded and I’ve got a timedemo FPS screenshot this is with resolution set at 640 x 480

I’ll add my showconfig and MMU-configuration file in a mo

Here they are

Showconfig

PCIinfo without USB

MUScan

PCIinfo with usb installed

grelbfarlk · 10 March 2021, 23:06

I haven't tested Sonnet in a long while. I'm not really sure what your system is, I take it's a towerized A4000D?
The card order I have in my towerized A4000D goes:
-Top-
Slot 5 - 10MB NIC
Slot 4 - Ragnarok/Rapture/Sonnet
Slot 3 - Voodoo
Slot 2 - FM801
Slot 1 - Spider
-Bottom-

Maybe it's coincidence but my other A4000D in a tower I also have the Spider in the bottom slot. In this system it goes:
-Top-
Slot 5 - 10MB NIC
Slot 4 - SB128 (CT5808)
Slot 3 - Radeon
Slot 2 - Apocalypse
Slot 1 - Spider
-Bottom-

I don't generally start the PSDStackloader during startup, I only start it up when I have need of the USB.
That is a pretty normal timedemo result for your config though.

Timtheloon · 10 March 2021, 23:31

Yeah the blitzquake demo was just to show Hedeon’s Beta drivers working with a Mediator and Sonnet

Yes this system is a A4000D in a Elbox tower

I’m not loading any of the usb drivers yet just trying to get it to work with the usb card installed

So I’ve tried many different slot orientations but always the same the other issue I have is my fastATA needs to be in either Zorro slot 4 or 5 if I have it in any others it seem to cause corruption on the drive but this mean it clashes with the Sonnet in certain PCI slots

Think I might look into a PCI extender and mount the Sonnet in a different location luckily there is a lot of room in these old Elbox tower cases

Oh I noticed I forgot my MMU-Configuration file

Hedeon · 10 March 2021, 23:50

Loads of pictures but none indicating what crash you are having.

09 March 2021, 04:51	#4504
mgfalc Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Brisbane Posts: 3	Amazing thread and information! Thanks for all the work to date!!! Some help needed please! Every time I startup Warp3D software with the PPC, I get "Exception: Data Storage" errors (screen shot below) does anyone know what this means? I've searched through the thread and I can't see anything that relates. Apologies in advance if I missed something. Current Setup: Amiga 4000T A3640 Rev3.2 16mb Fast RAM 3.1.4 Kickstart ROMS Elbox Mediator 3V MK-III Technobox 4930 PMC Emerson "Apocalypse" PPC G4 450Mhz, 128Mb Voodoo3 3000 Elbox Spider2 USB Pioneer SCSI Slot CD/DVD IDE to CF/SD HDD What I know works (and is stable): InitPPC - startups quickly, no errors pciinfo - demonstrates ram being allocated after initppc command Bogomips - output 909 bogomips Gears 68k Warp Demo (Gears PPC demo's don't work) WarpUP Voxelspace Demo - 25FPS @ 640x480 Various P96 screen modes - 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 etc. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by mgfalc; 09 March 2021 at 04:59.

10 March 2021, 22:00	#4517
Timtheloon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Portsmouth / United Kingdom Posts: 303	Sonnet 7200 PCI programming Hello all Due to the apocalypse working with my A4KT I returned my Sonnet back to the Alice A4k Mediator 4000D MKIII setup expecting all to be good how wrong was I So on initial start up it said could not allocate VGA memory this was due to VoodooMemOS stating No so returned to Yes and Sonnet started happy days but my happiness was short lived I could do the Warp3D ppc demos no problem but any game would result in a crash more or less instantly I finally discovered that it seems to be the SpiderUSB card with it remove blitzquake and wipeout start up and run correctly. is this a known issue or is there additional steps which I am missing? I’ve tried lots of different pci slot configuration which are limited due to the ram location on the Sonnet but always the same or worse. I also tried @hedeons new Beta libs from post #4394 on my Mediator but same issue with usb card but without the usb card blitzquake loaded and I’ve got a timedemo FPS screenshot this is with resolution set at 640 x 480 I’ll add my showconfig and MMU-configuration file in a mo Here they are Showconfig PCIinfo without USB MUScan PCIinfo with usb installed Last edited by Timtheloon; 10 March 2021 at 22:40.

10 March 2021, 23:06	#4518
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,960	I haven't tested Sonnet in a long while. I'm not really sure what your system is, I take it's a towerized A4000D? The card order I have in my towerized A4000D goes: -Top- Slot 5 - 10MB NIC Slot 4 - Ragnarok/Rapture/Sonnet Slot 3 - Voodoo Slot 2 - FM801 Slot 1 - Spider -Bottom- Maybe it's coincidence but my other A4000D in a tower I also have the Spider in the bottom slot. In this system it goes: -Top- Slot 5 - 10MB NIC Slot 4 - SB128 (CT5808) Slot 3 - Radeon Slot 2 - Apocalypse Slot 1 - Spider -Bottom- I don't generally start the PSDStackloader during startup, I only start it up when I have need of the USB. That is a pretty normal timedemo result for your config though. Last edited by grelbfarlk; 10 March 2021 at 23:11.

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08 March 2021, 14:18	#4501
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,960	We'll just have to get a PPC Mac emulator running so we can run Lightwave instead.

09 March 2021, 11:12	#4505
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,039	Seems like an error opening a library. What does SnoopDOS say?

09 March 2021, 12:32	#4506
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,355	To anyone with warp3d ppc issues; try ditching the aminet warp3dppc files and use the elbox ones instead

09 March 2021, 12:42	#4508
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,355	I’d say so, but worth a try with Prometheus if you’re still stuck. We’ve just got mgfalc’s issues sorted by swapping over to the elbox files

09 March 2021, 17:47	#4509
MoonDragn Registered User Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Gaithersburg/USA Posts: 50	I wish these PCI expansions were not so expensive. I have a ton of PCI cards lying around.

10 March 2021, 18:29	#4514
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,355	Cosmos has made a 4000D firestorm prometheus, as has a guy on A1K. I'll ask them what the final cost was.

10 March 2021, 21:11	#4515
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,039	Hese made one too. I think he posted in this thread about it.....somewhere :-)

10 March 2021, 23:31	#4519
Timtheloon Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Portsmouth / United Kingdom Posts: 303	Yeah the blitzquake demo was just to show Hedeon’s Beta drivers working with a Mediator and Sonnet Yes this system is a A4000D in a Elbox tower I’m not loading any of the usb drivers yet just trying to get it to work with the usb card installed So I’ve tried many different slot orientations but always the same the other issue I have is my fastATA needs to be in either Zorro slot 4 or 5 if I have it in any others it seem to cause corruption on the drive but this mean it clashes with the Sonnet in certain PCI slots Think I might look into a PCI extender and mount the Sonnet in a different location luckily there is a lot of room in these old Elbox tower cases Oh I noticed I forgot my MMU-Configuration file

10 March 2021, 23:50	#4520
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,039	Loads of pictures but none indicating what crash you are having.

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